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Postby Gord » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:30 pm

I wouldn't know, I've never met one.
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Gord wrote:I wouldn't know, I've never met one.
I actually met one. Petty Officer Third Class Cecil Normal. I was at Naval Station Roosevelt Roads, PR, at the time. He worked with another PO3 named Fair. The irony didn't escape us.
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Re: Funny image thread

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Gord wrote:I wouldn't know, I've never met one.
I actually met one. Petty Officer Third Class Cecil Normal. I was at Naval Station Roosevelt Roads, PR, at the time. He worked with another PO3 named Fair. The irony didn't escape us.

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Re: Funny image thread

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:52 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Not 1 = 1. It's a maths joke.
Our maths teacher at school had a book full of these bad equations. At the end of class he would write one them up in stages on the blackboard and there would be a contest for the first person in class to spot the error.

I was tricked by an equation that sneaked through a line where "1" was divided by "zero" in such a way you didn't notice and then reintroduced into a subsequent equation to produce an impossible solution.

I certainly remember the entire class would go quiet at the end when an impossible solution was reached. It was exactly the same as an audience watching a clever magic trick.

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Not 1 = 1. It's a maths joke.
Our maths teacher at school had a book full of these bad equations. At the end of class he would write one them up in stages on the blackboard and there would be a contest for the first person in class to spot the error.

I was tricked by an equation that sneaked through a line where "1" was divided by "zero" in such a way you didn't notice and then reintroduced into a subsequent equation to produce an impossible solution.

I certainly remember the entire class would go quiet at the end when an impossible solution was reached. It was exactly the same as an audience watching a clever magic trick.


If you claim pyrrho's equations are "bad", then please explain where the error is.

Here's a shorter version of the same idea:

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1/3 = .333...

multiply both sides by 3

1 = .999...


Can you find the error in that?

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Re: Funny image thread

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:57 am

Gord wrote:But 0.999... IS equal to 1.

I believe Pyrrho has borrowed his equations from here.
http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.9999.html

There is always an infinitely smaller remainder.
0.9 + 0.1 = 1
0.99 + 0,01 = 1
0.999 + 0.001 = 1
0.99999999 + 0.00000001 = 1.

If it is an infinite series and deducted from "1", there will always be another infinite series remainder. Sure, it gets smaller, but it's still there.


Here goes : If I were to say 1 minus 0.999999(infinite) = Y, would you accept that (3 X Y) > (1 x Y) ? :D

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Postby Major Malfunction » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:02 am

Please don't start this again. There's a thread for that... :(
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Re: Funny image thread

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:07 am

Major Malfunction wrote:Please don't start this again. There's a thread for that... :(

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It's the dividing by infinity trick again. :D
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Matthew Ellard wrote:If it is an infinite series and deducted from "1", there will always be another infinite series remainder. Sure, it gets smaller, but it's still there. [/color]


That's not correct.


Matthew Ellard wrote:Here goes : If I were to say 1 minus 0.999999(infinite) = Y, would you accept that (3 X Y) > (1 x Y) ? :D


No.

(3 X Y) is exactly equal to (1 x Y) because Y is exactly equal to 0.

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Postby xouper » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:14 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:It's the dividing by infinity trick again. :D


There is no "dividing by infinity trick" in the equations Pyrrho posted.

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Postby xouper » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:18 am

Major Malfunction wrote:Please don't start this again. There's a thread for that... :(


That was eleventy years ago. ;) viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4987

Perhaps some people don't remember that far back.

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Re: Funny image thread

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:21 am

xouper wrote: (3 X Y) is exactly equal to (1 x Y) because Y is exactly equal to 0.


No. There is always another infinite series remainder of 1 - 0.9999(infinite).

When the dying frog leaps half as far, with each jump, to the edge of the pond, he never actually gets there.

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Postby xouper » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:33 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
xouper wrote: (3 X Y) is exactly equal to (1 x Y) because Y is exactly equal to 0.


No. There is always another infinite series remainder of 1 - 0.9999(infinite).


Nope. You are mistaken.


Matthew Ellard wrote:When the dying frog leaps half as far, with each jump, to the edge of the pond, he never actually gets there.


Ah, a joke. ;) A variation of one of Zeno's Paradoxes.

That same "argument" can be used to say that if I shoot a bullet at your head, it will never get there.

Would you like to try that experiment?

It is a mathematical fact that the infinite series 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + . . . is exactly equal to 1. The frog does indeed get there after making an infinite number of jumps.

If your intent was to make a joke, I get that. Well done.

If you were serious — and I would be surprised if you were — then I should caution you that you are on the wrong side of this argument, Matthew.

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Re: Funny image thread

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:31 am

xouper wrote: Nope. You are mistaken.
It is mixing up irrational numbers with integers.
0.999999(infinite) is an irrational number. If we can consider it a fraction.

Let "A" be the numerator and "B" the denominator. However, if A = B the answer is simply "1" however to obtain 0.99999(infinite) as an irrational number, that is less than 1, it must be that A < B.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...# ... al_numbers
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Re: Funny image thread

Postby Io » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:25 am

I can't help but notice that this funny thread has stopped being funny. Where's my funny? I want my funny.
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Re: Funny image thread

Postby Gord » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:45 am

Io wrote:I can't help but notice that this funny thread has stopped being funny. Where's my funny? I want my funny.

Here you go:

Image

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Re: Funny image thread

Postby Gord » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:51 am

Okay, one more:

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Gord wrote:
Io wrote:I can't help but notice that this funny thread has stopped being funny. Where's my funny? I want my funny.

Here you go:

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Postby Gord » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:56 am

The other one translates through more than one stage; here's the middle one:

"i 8 sum pi"
"and it was delicious"
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Re: Funny image thread

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:55 am

Io wrote:I can't help but notice that this funny thread has stopped being funny. Where's my funny? I want my funny.
That is a very sensible comment. :D

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
xouper wrote: Nope. You are mistaken.

It is mixing up irrational numbers with integers.
0.999999(infinite) is an irrational number.


Sorry, but you are hugely mistaken.

0.999... is NOT an irrational number. And this is trivially easy to demonstrate, as I will do below.


Matthew Ellard wrote: If we can consider it a fraction.


It is indeed a rational number (a ratio of two whole numbers, i.e. a fraction).


Matthew Ellard wrote:Let "A" be the numerator and "B" the denominator. However, if A = B the answer is simply "1"


And that is the correct answer.

Here is how to convert a repeating decimal expansion to a ratio of whole numbers (a fraction):

Let's start with a specific example, and then we can understand the generalization that follows from that.

Suppose we have 0.127127127... where the pattern "127" repeats forever.

The shortcut is to take the pattern and put it in the numerator and then take the same number of nines and put that in the denominator.

Thus 0.127127127... = 127 / 999

You can verify this is the correct answer by dividing 999 into 127 and you will get back the original decimal expansion that you started from.

In this way, any decimal expansion that has a repeating pattern can be shown to be a fraction and is thus NOT an irrational number, regardless what the repeating pattern is, as long as the pattern is finite in length.

In the shortcut I just mentioned, I left out some middle steps, but here they are, to show why the shortcut works:

x = 0.127127127...

we notice that the repeating pattern is 3 digits

Thus 10^3 times x = 127.127127127...

This gets us a copy of the pattern to the left of the decimal point.

then simplify by subtraction

1000x - 1x = 127.127127127... - .127127127...

999x = 127

x = 127 / 999

In general, if the repeating pattern is a sequence of n digits:

"d1d2d3...dn"

for any finite whole number n, then simply take that pattern and divide it by n number of nines.

This works for any repeating decimal expansion, including 0.999... as shown in the equations posted by Pyrrho.


Matthew Ellard wrote:however to obtain 0.99999(infinite) as an irrational number, that is less than 1, it must be that A < B.


That's the fallacy of assuming the very result you are trying to prove.

If you are trying to prove that 0.999... is less than one, it is not valid to start by assuming that to be true, as you have done here.

What's really funny is that the wikipedia page you cited completely refutes your position on this question. At no time does it ever say that 0.999... is less than 1. Nowhere does it say that 0.999... is an irrational number.


Matthew Ellard wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...#Proofs_from_the_construction_of_the_real_numbers

As the wikipeadia page says........it all depends on how you accept infinities.


Where does it say that? Please quote the exact phrase from that article so that we can see the context of that remark.

Here is my favorite formal mathematical proof, which I posted eleven years ago: viewtopic.php?p=76476#p76476

xouper wrote:See for example:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeometricSeries.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_series#Infinite_geometric_series

Review: The notation 0.999... can be expressed as an infinite geometric series:

(9/10^1) + (9/10^2) + (9/10^3) + (9/10^4) + (9/10^5) + ...

This can then be expressed using summation notation (using the capital letter sigma):

SIGMA(k=1 to infinity)(9/10^k)

Then apply the Geometric Series Theorem (see #9 at mathworld link) to show that .999... = 1.


That is a rigorous mathematical proof, acceptable on any calculus exam.

Here is perhaps another simple way to see that 1 = 0.999...

0/9 = 0.000...
1/9 = 0.111...
2/9 = 0.222...
3/9 = 0.333...
4/9 = 0.444...
5/9 = 0.555...
6/9 = 0.666...
7/9 = 0.777...
8/9 = 0.888...
9/9 = 0.999...

where the ellipsis (three dots) means that the digits repeat forever with no end.

Even a grade schooler knows how to do the above long divisions. Try it yourself if you can remember how.

It just that we normally don't bother doing the last one since it seems pointless, but there is nothing mathematically incorrect about it.

If you dispute the last one (dividing 9 by 9), then you are also disputing all of them, and that is simply ignorant.

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Postby xouper » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:53 am

Io wrote:I can't help but notice that this funny thread has stopped being funny. Where's my funny? I want my funny.


If you want a mathematics funny, then how about this old staple:

Two plus two equals five, for sufficiently large values of two.


For detailed discussion of the joke, see for example:
https://www.quora.com/What-does-Lawrence-Krauss-mean-when-he-says-2+2-5

Corollary to the above joke:

Under uniform distribution, two plus two equals five, 12.5% of the time.

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xouper wrote: 9/9 = 0.999...
It equals 1.

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"Parallels are pairs of lines that meet in infinity"

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ElectricMonk wrote:The Math's teacher tells the class:

"Parallels are pairs of lines that meet in infinity"

Sighs a girl in the back: "How romantic!"

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
xouper wrote: 9/9 = 0.999...
It equals 1.

Yes, 0.999... equals 1.
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Gord wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
xouper wrote: 9/9 = 0.999...
It equals 1.

Yes, 0.999... equals 1.


For those who had mistakenly believed 0.999... is less than one, there is no shame in learning why that's a false belief.

The upside is, now they have a better understanding of mathematics.

That's a good outcome, yes?

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You guys don't mind if I post an actual image, do you?

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You guys don't mind if I post an actual image, do you?


I don't mind at all. ;)

Is this thread for images only or are we also allowed to have an occasional discussion about an image?

I can play by the rules as long as I know what they are.

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Rules?! We don't need no stinkin' rules.
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I'm mathgnostic and I see the problem there.
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Where did you find an old clip of Sean Hannity trying to do math?
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Aztexan wrote:Where did you find an old clip of Sean Hannity trying to do math?



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I thought he upgraded to touch screen
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