More evidence for IID.

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More evidence for IID.

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:38 pm

The usual intelligent design argument is based on "irreducible complexity" but really plays a shell game with where the complexity is and how it can originate.

IID is Intelligent Icky Design.

A much more tenable position. The premise is that some living things are just too icky to have developed naturally. So there must be an infinitely icky creator,

Killer Wasps And Zombie Cockroaches
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The emerald jewel wasp is a parasitic wasp that enslaves cockroaches by injecting mind-controlling venom into their brains. After being stung by the wasp, the cockroach loses control of its behavior and becomes a slave to the wasp. The wasp then lays eggs on the cockroach, and as the larva grows it consumes the cockroach alive from within eventually killing it. The young offspring then emerges out of the corpse like an alien bursting out of the victim’s abdomen.

The female wasp, which is often just a fraction of the size of her victim, begins her attack from above, swooping down and grabbing the roach by its neck. She then stings it—twice. The first sting goes at the middle of the body, the thorax, in between the first pair of legs temporarily paralyzing the legs with a dose of venom. The loss of mobility allows the wasp to deliver the second sting with remarkable accuracy. The second sting delivers a neurotoxin at a precise spot in the victim's brain, the section that controls the escape reflex. After the second sting, the cockroach is unable to run away even after it had regained control of its legs. At first it becomes sluggish as if drunk, and then it begins a curious grooming routine.

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Re: More evidence for IID.

Post by landrew » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:08 pm

Evolution is a blind watchmaker, making its creations without regard to good, evil, forethought or planning.
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Re: More evidence for IID.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:46 pm

Having eaten a catfish that had just been eating me makes me a bit 'meh' about "icky".
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Re: More evidence for IID.

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:56 am

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Another good example of weirdness is the Toxoplasma parasite. Interesting because it infects humans. It is carried by cats, and one estimate suggests that 40% of all cat owners throughout the world have the disease.

When the parasite enters the human body, there are few symptoms, and they can be mistaken for a mild influenza. But it goes to the brain and alters human behaviour. For example, infected people become more reckless, and are more prone to car accidents.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/253802.php

This appears to be because the normal intermediate host (mice) is eaten by cats (permitting the life cycle to continue) and the parasite induces reckless behaviour, making it more likely for the intermediate host to be killed and eaten by a cat, and thus passed on to the cat. The brain effects may be enough to predispose you to other mental illness also.

Cat owners, beware. But even living next door to a cat owner may be enough. The infection is passed on via cat feces, and if a cat shites in your garden, then simply working in your garden may be enough.

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Re: More evidence for IID.

Post by landrew » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:24 am

That might explain the cat lady syndrome.
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Re: More evidence for IID.

Post by Gord » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:16 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:56 am
Abdul

Another good example of weirdness is the Toxoplasma parasite. Interesting because it infects humans. It is carried by cats, and one estimate suggests that 40% of all cat owners throughout the world have the disease.

When the parasite enters the human body, there are few symptoms, and they can be mistaken for a mild influenza. But it goes to the brain and alters human behaviour. For example, infected people become more reckless, and are more prone to car accidents.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/253802.php
On the other hand, there's this: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuro ... ma-gondii/
...Duke University researchers Karen Sugden et al. suggest that there may be nothing to worry about after all....

...Sugden et al. examined the Dunedin Longitudinal Study, a sample of over 1,000 people born in New Zealand in 1972-73 and followed up from birth. Sugden et al. tested the participants blood samples, taken at age of 38, for antibodies against T. gondii. Of 837 people who gave blood samples, 28% tested positive, indicating that they were infected with the parasite.

Toxoplasmosis was not associated with any personality traits, nor with rates of schizophrenia or depression. There was also no evidence that was linked to ‘poor impulse control’, e.g. criminal convictions, driving offenses, and accident claims on insurance. The one possible exception was that suicide attempts were more common in T. gondii positive people, but this difference was only of trend significance (p=0.06). T. gondii also wasn’t correlated with IQ or other measures of cognitive performance, except on one memory test (the RAVLT, p=0.04)....
...This is, to our knowledge, the most comprehensive assessment of the possible link between T. gondii infection and a variety of impairments in a single cohort. Previous positive associations have been reported across different studies, often in selected or clinical samples; for example, one study will examine the link to violence, another the link to schizophrenia, and yet another the link to self-injury, and so forth....

...Although our cohort is of only modest size, it is adequately powered to detect small effect sizes (r = 0.1)....
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Re: More evidence for IID.

Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:15 pm

Their cat made them do that. :roll:
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Re: More evidence for IID.

Post by Gord » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:46 am

If god really loved his creation, then why did he let Adam name something Turdus migratorius?
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Re: More evidence for IID.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:15 pm

Gord wrote:
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If god really loved his creation, then why did he let Adam name something Turdus migratorius?
Let's keep T.rump out of this, please.
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Re: More evidence for IID.

Post by Gord » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:10 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:15 pm
Gord wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:46 am
If god really loved his creation, then why did he let Adam name something Turdus migratorius?
Let's keep T.rump out of this, please.
Why? Is it the "intelligent" part of "Intelligent Icky Design"?
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Re: More evidence for IID.

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IID is what God did on Halloween

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Re: More evidence for IID.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:49 pm

Gord wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:10 pm
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:15 pm
Gord wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:46 am
If god really loved his creation, then why did he let Adam name something Turdus migratorius?
Let's keep T.rump out of this, please.
Why? Is it the "intelligent" part of "Intelligent Icky Design"?
No, just the Turd part.
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