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Let's not be dogmatic. Teach the controversy.

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:53 pm

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Why not teach the controversy?

What exactly are the Rounders afraid of? ;)
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Postby Monster » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:02 pm

"Teach the controversy". That phrase literally sounds like we should teach why flat-earthers are idiots. "This is where the controversy comes from" and so forth.
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Postby ElectricMonk » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:12 pm

Whatever happened to 'Best Practice' ?
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:33 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Why not teach the controversy?

One should always touch upon the controversy when issues are contested.

But the phrase has really become much like "conspiracy theory" where the predicate, that there is a conspiracy, or there is a controversy, simply isn't true...... outside those who enjoy discussing equally important subjects such as whether or not we exist at all.

Just Look.
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Postby ElectricMonk » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:36 pm

Opinion is divided on the subject: everyone says it is, I say it isn't.....
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Re: Let's not be dogmatic. Teach the controversy.

Postby TJrandom » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:13 pm

Wallow in ignorance… Bathe in stupidity… Immerse in asininely… Embrace nonsense… Teach the controversy… might make for a quick sell T-shirt in some areas.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:23 pm

"The Earth is Flat." //// Can there be a more pure troll play?

I can't think of one.
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:49 pm

Pfft! Rounders.

In your heart you know it's flat. :pr:
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Postby seymore » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:08 am

The Bible in several places refers to the four corners of the world. It's tough to be round if it's got corners on it. I haven 't seen them, or any hard evidence for them,myself. But then I've not been everywhere either.
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seymore wrote:The Bible in several places refers to the four corners of the world. It's tough to be round if it's got corners on it. I haven 't seen them, or any hard evidence for them,myself. But then I've not been everywhere either.

The Japanese wanted "to put the eight corners of the Earth under one roof" before WWII. I think we're getting into gaming dice here. :lol:
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Postby Gord » Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:04 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Image

Don't be silly; the one for medicine might actually work.
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Gord wrote:
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Don't be silly; the one for medicine might actually work.


And even under the law - a good BBQ always draws an appreciative crowd...

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TJrandom wrote: And even under the law - a good BBQ always draws an appreciative crowd...

Yesterday was "Australia Day". This is celebrated with a typical Australian BBQ. The tradition has not changed in any way at all for fifty years, except that nowadays Abdul, cooks the sausages, Vladimir makes the salad, Constantine gets beers from the Esky and Bojing passes out the rice paper prawn rolls. The Esky has non-alcoholic beer for Muslims and a separate "vego" BBQ is run at the same time, for the Hindu "vegos".

Australia used to be the most boring "English" country on the planet, with awful food. Thank god for post war immigration and multiculturalism.

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Gord wrote:
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Don't be silly; the one for medicine might actually work.

It does work for some things. It is, of course, symbolic of medieval medicine that said disease was caused by "bad air" , etc.
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Matthew Ellard wrote:
TJrandom wrote: And even under the law - a good BBQ always draws an appreciative crowd...

Yesterday was "Australia Day". This is celebrated with a typical Australian BBQ. The tradition has not changed in any way at all for fifty years, except that nowadays Abdul, cooks the sausages, Vladimir makes the salad, Constantine gets beers from the Esky and Bojing passes out the rice paper prawn rolls. The Esky has non-alcoholic beer for Muslims and a separate "vego" BBQ is run at the same time, for the Hindu "vegos".

Australia used to be the most boring "English" country on the planet, with awful food. Thank god for post war immigration and multiculturalism.


Does seafood count as vego?

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TJrandom wrote: And even under the law - a good BBQ always draws an appreciative crowd...

Yesterday was "Australia Day". This is celebrated with a typical Australian BBQ. The tradition has not changed in any way at all for fifty years, except that nowadays Abdul, cooks the sausages, Vladimir makes the salad, Constantine gets beers from the Esky and Bojing passes out the rice paper prawn rolls. The Esky has non-alcoholic beer for Muslims and a separate "vego" BBQ is run at the same time, for the Hindu "vegos".

Australia used to be the most boring "English" country on the planet, with awful food. Thank god for post war immigration and multiculturalism.


Does seafood count as vego?

If beaver counts as fish I don't see why not.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
TJrandom wrote:
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TJrandom wrote: And even under the law - a good BBQ always draws an appreciative crowd...

Yesterday was "Australia Day". This is celebrated with a typical Australian BBQ. The tradition has not changed in any way at all for fifty years, except that nowadays Abdul, cooks the sausages, Vladimir makes the salad, Constantine gets beers from the Esky and Bojing passes out the rice paper prawn rolls. The Esky has non-alcoholic beer for Muslims and a separate "vego" BBQ is run at the same time, for the Hindu "vegos".

Australia used to be the most boring "English" country on the planet, with awful food. Thank god for post war immigration and multiculturalism.


Does seafood count as vego?

If beaver counts as fish I don't see why not.


I have seen some beaver that sorta smelled like fish... and I do like fish, as well as beaver, but rarely see beaver these days.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:03 pm

Beaver that smells like fish, sorta or any other way, should not be eaten. Nor..... released back to wild waters as it will also make the fish smell too.

Its a sin.
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The Catholics declared beaver to be a fish so they could be hypocritical about Friday.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:29 pm

Just as its on my mind, one of my favorite "proofs" of the orb nature of earth is the notion of watching a sailing ship come into port. On a clear day--you saw the top sails first, and then the bow came into view much later.

Just ................ look.

So much of reality is like that, when the scale is observable and what not.
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You can see the curvature of the Earth by standing on the beach and watching a ship come over the horizon. You see the topmasts first, then gradually the rest of the ship.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You can see the curvature of the Earth by standing on the beach and watching a ship come over the horizon. You see the topmasts first, then gradually the rest of the ship.


I doubt that you are actually seeing the curature of the Earth - but rather just seeing a magical ship that has managed to cheat death by sailing almost to the edge. The magical ship is just showing off - a little bit at a time... :D

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You can see the curvature of the Earth by standing on the beach and watching a ship come over the horizon. You see the topmasts first, then gradually the rest of the ship.


I doubt that you are actually seeing the curature of the Earth - but rather just seeing a magical ship that has managed to cheat death by sailing almost to the edge. The magical ship is just showing off - a little bit at a time... :D

You can see the effect of the curvature of the Earth. Image
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Postby ElectricMonk » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:12 pm

or you do what Eratosthenes of Cyrene did when he first calculated the size to the earth: find yourself a nice North/South stretch of highway a couple of hundred miles long and take the family on a road-trip along it.

Then, every day at lunch, measure the angle of the sun's shadow.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:07 pm

EM--would that be one of your favorite methods to prove the Earth is round?

I'd much rather spend a day at the beach!
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Postby ElectricMonk » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:51 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:EM--would that be one of your favorite methods to prove the Earth is round?

I'd much rather spend a day at the beach!


That way you only prove that the sun moves
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:39 pm

No less a LIBBERUL icon than The Atlantic comes out for teaching the controversy.

In Defense of Flat Earthers

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:14 am

From the link, an example of pure BS Hollywood (Music Industry a la Get Shorty?) log rolling: "Rapper B.o.B’s theory may be ridiculous, but he’s motivated by the same questing spirit that gave us science."

Evidently the Atlantic doesn't understand what is motivated by the ridiculous.

Sad, for a "real" Magazine.

........................................................... sell outs.
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Re: Let's not be dogmatic. Teach the controversy.

Postby Teamonger » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:19 pm

Of course the earth is flat. How else could Jesus see all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain? (Matt 4:8)
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