Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby kennyc » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:38 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:......Image


Nice!

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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby zeuzzz » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:30 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
zeuzzz wrote:I would greatly appreciate that anyone who has participated in this thread, for whatever reason, watch the above video, and share your views on what she says.


Well Zuezzz, I did watch the last video you asked us to watch and I pointed out some errors. You didn't make any comment and simply posted another video. That's not really fair is it?


No that's not fair at all, I have no recollection of this incident, can you link me to it? This thread or another? I'll be more than happy to reply now.
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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby zeuzzz » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:44 pm

zeuzzz wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
zeuzzz wrote:I would greatly appreciate that anyone who has participated in this thread, for whatever reason, watch the above video, and share your views on what she says.


Well Zuezzz, I did watch the last video you asked us to watch and I pointed out some errors. You didn't make any comment and simply posted another video. That's not really fair is it?


No that's not fair at all, I have no recollection of this incident, can you link me to it? This thread or another? I'll be more than happy to reply now.


I presume not then?

I guess since most skeptic forums are atheist predicated, and Mayer is one of the most prominent (open) atheists on American TV, people might enjoy this video. "Put LSD in kids haloween candy, it'd probably be the healthiest thing they've had all day"

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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby Sanatogen » Wed May 10, 2017 12:53 pm

[I]does not confirm your bias, you will find that it is a disabling of normal brain function, and not a profound, conscious awakening thing.[I]

A common part of the feedback from anecdotal evidence is that the ego is disabled. This may be the scary part for a majority of those who have tried this.

What Brain function are you referring to?

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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu May 11, 2017 2:32 am

Sanatogen wrote:What Brain function are you referring to?

Sadly, Zeuzzz died in December 2016. He cannot answer your questions.

Zeuzzz was enthusiastic about alternative forms of evolution and consciousness, and posted about those topics here, but never had any coherent claims and never produced any evidence. He was a nice bloke, but he was permanently confused.

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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby Dimebag » Fri May 12, 2017 11:05 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sanatogen wrote:What Brain function are you referring to?

Sadly, Zeuzzz died in December 2016. He cannot answer your questions.

Zeuzzz was enthusiastic about alternative forms of evolution and consciousness, and posted about those topics here, but never had any coherent claims and never produced any evidence. He was a nice bloke, but he was permanently confused.

Damn, seemed like a nice guy. Farewell fellow ponderer...

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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby Nobrot » Sun May 14, 2017 4:04 am

Sanatogen wrote:[I]does not confirm your bias, ...

But It can fortify the over forties.

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Re: Skeptisism has become a cult against conscious experienc

Postby sandisk » Wed May 24, 2017 2:13 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Yeah, our experience of reality is actually virtual reality generated by our brains. "


Generated? :lol:
Stop watching science fiction, stop watching matrix or pseudo physicists (jews) promoting this garbage of reality and brain and "virtual" nonsense.
Reality is real, is utterly independent of us and it isn't any god damn generated by our brain, our brain is doing jack {!#%@}, we are just perceiving. brain generating reality only in matrix movies.

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Re: Skeptisism has become a cult against conscious experienc

Postby Dimebag » Wed May 24, 2017 8:04 pm

sandisk wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:Yeah, our experience of reality is actually virtual reality generated by our brains. "


Generated? :lol:
Stop watching science fiction, stop watching matrix or pseudo physicists (jews) promoting this garbage of reality and brain and "virtual" nonsense.
Reality is real, is utterly independent of us and it isn't any god damn generated by our brain, our brain is doing jack {!#%@}, we are just perceiving. brain generating reality only in matrix movies.

Actually this is a fairly accurate statement Sandisk. The brain receives information from the senses to inform the perceptual mechanisms of what may be out there, but at the same time, the perceptual mechanisms themselves use a top down flow of information to feed back their own version of events to the basic sensory receptors and their basic feature recognition systems. So the flow of information is not only from the senses to the higher level perceptual centres, it also flows backward to update the lower level centres of the brains "best guess" about what the sensory information really is. Perception is like a constant hallucination.

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Re: Skeptisism has become a cult against conscious experienc

Postby Gord » Thu May 25, 2017 1:18 am

sandisk wrote:pseudo physicists (jews) promoting this garbage of reality and brain and "virtual" nonsense

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Re: Skeptisism has become a cult against conscious experienc

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu May 25, 2017 2:10 am

sandisk wrote:Stop watching science fiction, stop watching matrix or pseudo physicists (jews) promoting this garbage of reality and brain and "virtual" nonsense.
You are anti Jewish.

The Skeptic Society Forum hosts the leading anti-holocaust denial debate forums. You are obviously the worst form of scum. You would be there, working hand in hand with the Nazis, stuffing innocent children into gas chambers

I strongly suggest you never post here again. Try Stormfront or some other neo-nazi forum.


sandisk wrote:All I read was a bunch of excuse for the contradiction that this leads to the fictional fairy tale of darwinism
You are also anti-science yet posting on a science based forum.

Just go away.

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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby Pyrrho » Thu May 25, 2017 6:53 am

I have no idea what Jewish people have to do with any of this discussion, but I must caution sandisk about forum rules regarding defamation of ethnic groups.
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Postby JO 753 » Fri May 26, 2017 4:05 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:Sadly, Zeuzzz died in December 2016.

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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri May 26, 2017 5:13 pm

JO 753 wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:Sadly, Zeuzzz died in December 2016.

:(
Tell us about it.

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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby Pyrrho » Fri May 26, 2017 10:12 pm

Wow, very sorry that happened, and very sorry that I didn't know about it at the time. I have locked the "Zeuzzz" user account.
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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri May 26, 2017 10:25 pm

"The requested user does not exist" - wow, reading that was very weird for the first time.
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Re: Skeptisism has become a cult against conscious experienc

Postby mirror93 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:32 am

Pyrrho wrote:Yeah, our experience of reality is actually virtual reality generated by our brains. That's a primary reason why we skeptics don't trust "conscious experience," because the mechanism of the brain can get things wrong. Doesn't mean that reality doesn't exist. Yeah, at some level it's all quantum fluctuation, apparently. Doesn't mean that reality doesn't exist. We can only experience reality at the level we can experience reality, and at this level, it hurts if I fall off a ladder, because of gravity and impact forces when my physical manifestation is stopped by the physical manifestation we call the ground. Its the way things work as far as we can tell and that's the way it seems to be.

Anyway, can't build bridges using metaphysics.

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it isnt any virtual reality, this isn't matrix.

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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby Pyrrho » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:36 am

Agreed. What I meant was the visual representation of reality that our brains generate, which is not equivalent to VR goggles.
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Re: Skeptics need to embrace conscious experience more

Postby SteveKlinko » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:15 pm

Just a couple of paragraphs on the Primacy of Consciousness:

The Scientific view of Consciousness is that it is some kind of byproduct of Neural Activity in the Brain. Most Scientists believe that Consciousness is not very important and some go so far as to say that it is just an Illusion with no real purpose. Philosophers have invented the Philosophical Zombie as a tool for thinking about Consciousness or the lack of Consciousness. The P-Zombie is supposed to live and interact with the World just like any one else except that it would not be Conscious.

But from the Inter Mind Model point of view the P-Zombie would be blind and would not be able to interact with the World. The Inter Mind and the Conscious Mind are further processing stages that are absolutely necessary for Sight. Neural Activity is not enough. All we know about Seeing is through Conscious experience. We experience the Conscious Light that's inside us. Take away the Conscious Light experience and what's left? Blind Neural Activity is all you have. You will not See anything. The Primacy of the Conscious Light experience for Sight is undeniable, and the same is true for every other Conscious experience that you have. You don't know anything about the Physical World except that which you obtain through your own internal Conscious experiences.

The Evolution of life on this Planet is probably directly driven by Conscious experience. Any organism that experiences Pleasure will seek out that Pleasure. Any organism that experiences Pain will try to avoid that Pain. Without the existence of these basic Conscious experiences there would be no motivation for any organism to react. There's nothing like a little Pain to motivate you to adjust what you are doing. This applies to simple organisms and to Humans. It would seem that Evolution is directly guided by Conscious experience.

Consciousness probably existed prior to the Big Bang and might have even been the cause of the Big Bang. The Universe was probably created by Consciousness and for Consciousness. Our Scientists need a way to understand and study Consciousness. They have to stop hiding their inability to study Consciousness by trying to minimize its importance. The Primacy of Consciousness must be understood.


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