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Lisbon Earthquake - Dawn of Age of Enlightenment

Postby SEG » Mon May 28, 2018 12:39 am

A massive earthquake occurred on the holiest day of the year on All Saints Day (November 1) in 1755, killing as many as 50,000 people in Lisbon, Portugal. Ironically the Red Light District with it's fun loving sinners was relatively unscathed. After the enormous quake, numerous fires occurred, driving masses of unfortunates to the seaside, only to be drowned in two huge tsunamis. This event caused many to lose their faith and started the sciences of seismology and tectonics.

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The year was 1755. The place was Lisbon, which was Portugal’s capital and the largest city in the area. It was known as one of the biggest ports on the Atlantic Ocean, and the city played a critical role in world trade. It was also a pious city of devout Christians. It was November 1, All Saints Day. Most people were gathered in their churches and synagogues. They were praying and worshiping. Suddenly, an earthquake that likely had a magnitude of 8.0, struck the area. Contemporary reports said it lasted between 3 – 6 minutes, causing fissures 5 meters (15 feet) in length to open in the city centre. Roughly 85% of Lisbon’s buildings were destroyed, which includes nearly all of the churches whose structures tended to be among the tallest, and thus the most deadly when they collapsed on their occupants. The screams of terror must have been horrific. It would be later known as one of the deadliest earthquakes ever recorded.

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Religious authorities did proclaim that the earthquake was the wrath of God against the sins of the people.

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Re: Lisbon Earthquake - Dawn of Age of Enlightenment

Postby Gord » Mon May 28, 2018 1:02 am

Posting entire arguments is a violation of copyright infringement, unfortunately. The mod Pyrrho will probably be along sooner or later to ask that you reduce it to a maximum of two paragraphs.

And also, this is my only quibble:
SEG wrote:...the Red Light District with it's fun loving sinners....

That should be its. :mrgreen:
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Re: Lisbon Earthquake - Dawn of Age of Enlightenment

Postby TJrandom » Mon May 28, 2018 1:06 am

This site lists the Lisbon earthquake as being 17th in estimated deaths (at 70k)...

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Postby SEG » Mon May 28, 2018 2:53 am

Gord wrote:Posting entire arguments is a violation of copyright infringement, unfortunately. The mod Pyrrho will probably be along sooner or later to ask that you reduce it to a maximum of two paragraphs.

And also, this is my only quibble:
SEG wrote:...the Red Light District with it's fun loving sinners....

That should be its. :mrgreen:

OK thanks, done! Grammatical Arrgh! How did I miss that? It's one of my pet hates too!
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TJrandom wrote:This site lists the Lisbon earthquake as being 17th in estimated deaths (at 70k)...

Thanks TJ. I saw that the largest recorded earthquake in Chile only killed 1,000 to 7,000 in 1960, but that was because it was in a secluded area. It's hard to work out actual numbers because who knows how many suffered and died as a consequence in the conditions afterwards?

This one happened at the height of Portugal's ship building, trade and colonisation era, so it was pretty devastating. I mentioned the irony of the sinners being protected while the Christians got smashed to our tour guide. She spoke about the earthquake of course, but was quiet about the sinners getting a get out of jail card. I spoke to her about it and she was aware of it, but said it was a "sensitive" matter.
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Postby TJrandom » Mon May 28, 2018 7:59 am

IMO - the sinners (if there are such things) were the Christians - following an idiotic religion; the pleasure seekers were simply normal humans.

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TJrandom wrote:This site lists the Lisbon earthquake as being 17th in estimated deaths (at 70k)...

They have to exclude my farts to get it up that high on the kill list.
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TJrandom wrote:IMO - the sinners (if there are such things) were the Christians - following an idiotic religion; the pleasure seekers were simply normal humans.

Absolutely. We were in Samoa and were told by another local guide that the only building in the area that survived a tsunami was a church - as if we should have been overawed by the fact! Not to mention that the church was also the best constructed and was on higher land than the rest.
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Postby TJrandom » Mon May 28, 2018 2:09 pm

SEG wrote:
TJrandom wrote:IMO - the sinners (if there are such things) were the Christians - following an idiotic religion; the pleasure seekers were simply normal humans.

Absolutely. We were in Samoa and were told by another local guide that the only building in the area that survived a tsunami was a church - as if we should have been overawed by the fact! Not to mention that the church was also the best constructed and was on higher land than the rest.


And of course sucked financial resources from the population, leaving them in less than adequate abodes.

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Postby Poodle » Mon May 28, 2018 2:24 pm

Not to be outdone by Gord ...
... 'fun loving' should be hyphenated.

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Poodle wrote:Not to be outdone by Gord ...
... 'fun loving' should be hyphenated.

...Not to be outdone by Gord ...
... 'fun loving' could be hyphenated. Depending on how it is said.
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Postby SEG » Mon May 28, 2018 9:52 pm

TJrandom wrote:
SEG wrote:
TJrandom wrote:IMO - the sinners (if there are such things) were the Christians - following an idiotic religion; the pleasure seekers were simply normal humans.

Absolutely. We were in Samoa and were told by another local guide that the only building in the area that survived a tsunami was a church - as if we should have been overawed by the fact! Not to mention that the church was also the best constructed and was on higher land than the rest.


And of course sucked financial resources from the population, leaving them in less than adequate abodes.

Spot on TJ. The pastors in Samoa all have much grander houses and later model cars than the rest of the impoverished population.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue May 29, 2018 5:27 am

SEG wrote:We were in Samoa and were told by another local guide that the only building in the area that survived a tsunami was a church - as if we should have been overawed by the fact!


Actually, places like Samoa are the only places in the world where churches genuinely are valuable. Since they are built strongly, they make a great refuge, Mainly against hurricanes.

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Postby Monster » Tue May 29, 2018 4:35 pm

The board game Lisboa is based on this event. :)

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/161533/lisboa
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Re: Lisbon Earthquake - Dawn of Age of Enlightenment

Postby Gord » Wed May 30, 2018 6:43 am

Poodle wrote:Not to be outdone by Gord ...
... 'fun loving' should be hyphenated.

I don't do hyphens, I undo them.
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:31 am

... That was the yer when Lisbon town saw the earth open and swallow her down ...

A good thread to find an appreciative audience for this poem, I think.

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Postby Gord » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:04 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:... That was the yer when Lisbon town saw the earth open and swallow her down ...

A good thread to find an appreciative audience for this poem, I think.

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Is this the poem you mean?

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just a snippet of what Oliver Wendel Holmes wrote:...Seventeen hundred and fifty-five.
Georgius Secundus was then alive, —
Snuffy old drone from the German hive.
That was the year when Lisbon-town
Saw the earth open and gulp her down,
And Braddock’s army was done so brown,
Left without a scalp to its crown.
It was on the terrible Earthquake-day
That the Deacon finished the one-hoss shay....
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Re: Lisbon Earthquake - Dawn of Age of Enlightenment

Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:31 am

Yes, that one.
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Re: Lisbon Earthquake - Dawn of Age of Enlightenment

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:34 am

If there was a big Lisbon earthquake why is there still a Lisbon?

Checkmate, Big Tectonics.
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Re: Lisbon Earthquake - Dawn of Age of Enlightenment

Postby TJrandom » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:47 pm

It didn`t vaporise - it just acquired foundation rubble, or maybe basements...

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Postby Subaru7 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:58 pm

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The Lisbon Earthquake has a significant walk-on part in Voltaire's very skeptical Candide.
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:03 pm

Aldous Huxley wrote:A government with a comprehensive plan for the betterment of society is a government that uses torture.

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Re: Lisbon Earthquake - Dawn of Age of Enlightenment

Postby SEG » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:17 am

Subaru7 wrote:'
The Lisbon Earthquake has a significant walk-on part in Voltaire's very skeptical Candide.
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Yep.
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Re: Lisbon Earthquake - Dawn of Age of Enlightenment

Postby landrew » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:23 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:If there was a big Lisbon earthquake why is there still a Lisbon?

Checkmate, Big Tectonics.

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