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youtube debunking of "Can Math Prove god’s Existence?"

Postby Gord » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:55 am

I wanted to share this video because of its argument about the misuse/misunderstanding of probability when it comes to the "fine tuning argument".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ZFUIY9bHU
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Re: youtube debunking of "Can Math Prove god’s Existence?"

Postby ElectricMonk » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:11 am

thanks for that!
Science youtube channels deserve special scrutiny, glad some are getting it.
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Re: youtube debunking of "Can Math Prove god’s Existence?"

Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:56 pm

This guy is spot on, and ASAP should be horribly ashamed.

Let's make up a tiny probability…
Wait…what?! You're attempting to prove a point logically, yet you're going to just make up odds? LOL

We'll also make up the probability that humans exist because god COULD make them.
Really? How do you know that? What, do you have access to god's CV?

Humans existing because god created them seems much more likely, rationally and statistically.
No, it doesn't. Not even remotely. Because you derived this conclusion from probabilities you {!#%@} made up!

The existence of multiple gods makes it more likely that humans are created.
What?! How the {!#%@} did you get there, ASAP? I'll tell you how: you bought your own BS. Sheesh.

ASAP's argument fails on so many levels, it's laughable.
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Re: youtube debunking of "Can Math Prove god’s Existence?"

Postby Nikki Nyx » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:20 am

This one's good too:
https://youtu.be/R3OkCxhjDmQ
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Re: youtube debunking of "Can Math Prove god’s Existence?"

Postby Gord » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:13 am

Nikki Nyx wrote:This guy is spot on, and ASAP should be horribly ashamed.

Let's make up a tiny probability…
Wait…what?! You're attempting to prove a point logically, yet you're going to just make up odds? LOL

We'll also make up the probability that humans exist because god COULD make them.
Really? How do you know that? What, do you have access to god's CV?

Humans existing because god created them seems much more likely, rationally and statistically.
No, it doesn't. Not even remotely. Because you derived this conclusion from probabilities you {!#%@} made up!

The existence of multiple gods makes it more likely that humans are created.
What?! How the {!#%@} did you get there, ASAP? I'll tell you how: you bought your own BS. Sheesh.

ASAP's argument fails on so many levels, it's laughable.

My favourite part is when he mentions that the chances of rolling 6 6 6 6 6 are the same as the chances of rolling 6 1 5 2 3. Many people just don't seem to get that. The same is true with any random hand dealt from a regular deck of cards -- they're all equally likely, but we think the ones we value more have a different likelihood (either higher or lower).
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Re: youtube debunking of "Can Math Prove god’s Existence?"

Postby Nikki Nyx » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:04 pm

Gord wrote:My favourite part is when he mentions that the chances of rolling 6 6 6 6 6 are the same as the chances of rolling 6 1 5 2 3. Many people just don't seem to get that. The same is true with any random hand dealt from a regular deck of cards -- they're all equally likely, but we think the ones we value more have a different likelihood (either higher or lower).
Absolutely! I discovered this blind spot while playing Yahtzee. People seem to think that, once they've rolled 3 sixes, it's less likely they'll roll 2 more sixes for a Yahtzee. In reality, the numbers they've already rolled have nothing to do with the 2 dice they're rolling afresh. It's just as likely they'll roll 2 more sixes as it is that they'll roll a 1 and a 4.

I encountered another math fail while playing a puzzle adventure game. The 'puzzle' was comprised of a device that had 5 places to put ingredients, and I had 5 ingredients in my inventory. There were no indications as to which ingredient might belong in which place on the device. I immediately quit the demo and wrote a scathing review. Seriously? Randomly guessing when there are 120 combinations is NOT a puzzle! (Apparently, the developers failed math, because the game's sequel had the exact same 'puzzle.')
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