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There is no Self

Postby placid » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:03 pm

Searching for yourself by using conceptual thought......is like looking for a pet in the meat market.

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Re: There is no Self

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:03 pm

How many more threads with the same subject and New Age "nondual" Advaita quotes recycled from the internet is this one gonna start?


And you guys thought ryu was bad. :-P
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Re: There is no Self

Postby Lance Kennedy » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:48 pm

Placid has trouble finding himself. One of the phrases used to describe extreme stupidity is " He could not find his own ass if he used both hands."

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Re: There is no Self

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:36 am

scrmbldggs wrote:And you guys thought ryu was bad. :-P

RYU238 is getting flogged by the JREF forum members.

He opened a thread about scalping, linked to an extremist website and proceeded to post about Custard's last stand. The thread devolved into dessert cooking recipes.

He linked to a right wing website. Another member warned him about lunatics. RYU238 wrote "I live in America and all those dangerous people live in other far away countries". The thread devolved into a farcical debate on whether Storm Front White Action Power was a black or Asian movement in Africa or China. RYU238 asked if people were mocking him.

He posted a quote from one extremist web, links to another unrelated extremist website and announces we should all look at his rebuttal comments he posted on that extremist website. Naturally there was no place for comments to be posted on either website. This suggests he posted a unrelated comment on an unrelated website, which must be confusing the hell out some poor website host, reading his actual comment.


I gave up trying to help him. My last private message from him was "What do you think?" and a link to 200 pages of some lunatic's ramblings.

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Re: There is no Self

Postby Gord » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:55 am

scrmbldggs wrote:And you guys thought ryu was bad. :-P

I didn't. I still think he's not bad. Just something like "gullible" but not exactly gullible.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:15 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:He opened a thread about scalping, linked to an extremist website and proceeded to post about Custard's last stand. The thread devolved into dessert cooking recipes.

:lol:
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Re: There is no Self

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:16 am

Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:And you guys thought ryu was bad. :-P

I didn't. I still think he's not bad. Just something like "gullible" but not exactly gullible.


I think he can be a little lazy and doesn't always do his homework. But when he does, boy, he does.
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Re: There is no Self

Postby placid » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:53 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:How many more threads with the same subject and New Age "nondual" Advaita quotes recycled from the internet is this one gonna start?


And you guys thought ryu was bad. :-P



It's not new age... it's only ever and ever recycled old age perhaps with a bit more added salt and pepper seasoning now age. The new hasn't happened yet.

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Re: There is no Self

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So, you're posting from the Neolithic?
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Re: There is no Self

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:46 pm

:lol:

Plastic is older and as dense as granite and hasn't caught on yet that his/her newfound obsession has been exhaustively (and lucratively) exploited for quite some time now by guys who are named Baba Krishnafarty and Crystal Kali Moonbeam, but their real names are Bubba Smith and Peggy Mayers.

The kids are grown and moved out of the house as far away as other countries (and who would blame them), and with nothing else going for him/herself, plastic is at that stage in life where some need to reinvent themselves.

We're the lucky crowd chosen for his/her efforts. And that testifies to the gravity of the density situation. :-P
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:02 pm

And the stubborn bugger will not admit that s/he picked this forum either through reading comprehension issues or by accident.

Other options are that plastic is either exceedingly pretentious and arrogant - or just a troll.
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Re: There is no Self

Postby placid » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:31 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:And the stubborn bugger will not admit that s/he picked this forum either through reading comprehension issues or by accident..


I picked this forum because gachchy is here. He's a real friend of mine.

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Re: There is no Self

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:38 pm

As I see it, placid is into introspection. He does not realise that introspection was determined by real scientists as being an invalid form of investigation over 100 years ago.

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Re: There is no Self

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Re: There is no Self

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:00 pm

placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:And the stubborn bugger will not admit that s/he picked this forum either through reading comprehension issues or by accident..


I picked this forum because gachchy is here. He's a real friend of mine.


That's why s/he left? Or is "gachchy" a really close friend of yours, like, lets say, a second personality, perhaps?




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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:03 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:As I see it, placid is into introspection. He does not realise that introspection was determined by real scientists as being an invalid form of investigation over 100 years ago.


Could be. Perfect New Age scammer prey...
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Re: There is no Self

Postby placid » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:06 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:And the stubborn bugger will not admit that s/he picked this forum either through reading comprehension issues or by accident..


I picked this forum because gachchy is here. He's a real friend of mine.


That's why s/he left? Or is "gachchy" a really close friend of yours, like, lets say, a second personality, perhaps?



He hasn't left, no one can leave. You are never not here, you'll find him there too.

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Re: There is no Self

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:23 pm

placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:And the stubborn bugger will not admit that s/he picked this forum either through reading comprehension issues or by accident..


I picked this forum because gachchy is here. He's a real friend of mine.


That's why s/he left? Or is "gachchy" a really close friend of yours, like, lets say, a second personality, perhaps?



He hasn't left, waffle. Waffle waffle.

I guess you're right about that one:


Last post by user gachchy (Last active: Wed Aug 05, 2015):

gachchy wrote:There is only one Love - It is 'Self Love'
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viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25730&p=470768#p470768


Next post, by "placid":
placid wrote:EDIT


Last edited by placid on Tue Jul 07, 2015
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25730&p=470768#p470771


But quoted by TJRandom:
TJRandom wrote:
placid wrote:... Not many people will get this when I say what Hitler did was an act of Love. ...
...
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25730&p=470768#p470773



Why am I not surprised. The house of cards fell very noisily right then and there. :roll:
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Re: There is no Self

Postby placid » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:27 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:And the stubborn bugger will not admit that s/he picked this forum either through reading comprehension issues or by accident..


I picked this forum because gachchy is here. He's a real friend of mine.


That's why s/he left? Or is "gachchy" a really close friend of yours, like, lets say, a second personality, perhaps?



He hasn't left, waffle. Waffle waffle.

I guess you're right about that one:


Last post by user gachchy (Last active: Wed Aug 05, 2015):

gachchy wrote:There is only one Love - It is 'Self Love'
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viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25730&p=470768#p470768


Next post, by "placid":
placid wrote:EDIT


Last edited by placid on Tue Jul 07, 2015
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25730&p=470768#p470771


But quoted by TJRandom:
TJRandom wrote:
placid wrote:... Not many people will get this when I say what Hitler did was an act of Love. ...
...
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25730&p=470768#p470773



Why am I not surprised. The house of cards fell very noisily right then and there. :roll:


You cannot leave your Self...because there isn't one.

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Re: There is no Self

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:30 pm

placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:And the stubborn bugger will not admit that s/he picked this forum either through reading comprehension issues or by accident..


I picked this forum because gachchy is here. He's a real friend of mine.


That's why s/he left? Or is "gachchy" a really close friend of yours, like, lets say, a second personality, perhaps?



He hasn't left, waffle. Waffle waffle.

I guess you're right about that one:


Last post by user gachchy (Last active: Wed Aug 05, 2015):

gachchy wrote:There is only one Love - It is 'Self Love'
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viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25730&p=470768#p470768


Next post, by "placid":
placid wrote:EDIT


Last edited by placid on Tue Jul 07, 2015
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25730&p=470768#p470771


But quoted by TJRandom:
TJRandom wrote:
placid wrote:... Not many people will get this when I say what Hitler did was an act of Love. ...
...
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=25730&p=470768#p470773



Why am I not surprised. The house of cards fell very noisily right then and there. :roll:


You cannot leave your Self...because there isn't one.


Sure, it truly seems like there's no one home...
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Re: There is no Self

Postby gachchy » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:41 am

Now-a-days I don't write much because I prefer Silence over Speech.

I am now obliged to give my view on the subject concerned. Since, this is a so called Science Forum, I write this here with great reluctance.

All Polar Opposites are creations of Mind (Includes 5 Senses):

In my opinion (not necessary for others to accept), all DUALITY like Hot and cold, Darkness and Night, Destiny and Freewill, Day and Night, Good and Bad, Life and Death, Love and Hate, Man and Woman, Animate and the Inanimate etc. are the two sides of the same coin. Both are mutually INCLUSIVE and not EXCLUSIVE. When one cannot exist without the other, it is called Inclusive. For the one to exist the other is essential. In fact, whatever you find with your five senses, Universe, Sun, Moon, Trees, Dogs, Cats, Table, Chair, Stones, Sand, Wife, Children, Politicians, Thieves, - - - - - - , are nothing but the same you and I, appearing as different for your Mind. They cannot exist without you. So, essentially they are also you. It may look highly paradoxical. But, this is the fact. Duality Exists, but in our Mind only. Mind creates all Duality.

A Unipolar Reality can not be expressed by Mind but can only be Realized as Pure Awareness/No Self in its seed form during Deep Meditation/Samadhi State in an extremely vague manner (like a protracted transition state of Bliss between Wakefulness and Sleep) because this state transcends our Conscious Self:

To get trapped in words is to get trapped in Mind and Phenomena. Absolute Reality is not a Phenomena. It is Noumena. However you attempt to express reality in words, you will always fail miserably. In spite of such difficulties, I am trying to put them in words. This Reality can only be realized in the following sequence. This, I am writing out of my own personal experience:

Mind ----(transcending)------> State of Being (Consciousness/Self)
State of Being (consciousness/Self)----(transcending)------> Absolute or Beyond (No Self/Awareness as Seed)


Mind is for Doing, 'Self/Consciousness' is for Being and 'No Self/Awareness as Seed' for the 'Absolute/Beyond' which is the substratum and the basis for all existence. This Awareness as Seed is beyond Existence and Non Existence and 'IT IS WHAT IT IS. ' (Beyond the scope of any Definition)

I give an excerpt from a publication, on the above subject of 'Reality':

Bhagavan (Ramana Mahsrshi) says that abiding in the Self means the dropping away of subject, object and false identification with the body, the root and source of all suffering. Swarupa is the pristine original state that need not, and indeed cannot, be gained anew but needs be merely uncovered and revealed in its perfect purity once the illusion of a separate self, maintained through continual thoughts in the mind, is let go of once for all. World (object) and mind (subject) are equally unreal, so the goal is neither refuge in the world of objects (body) nor identification with a solopsistic subject (mind). Bhagavan explains: “Subject, object and perception form the triad (triputi). There is a reality beyond these three. These appear and disappear, whereas the truth is eternal.[...] If there is unity, there will also be duality. The numeral one gives rise to other numbers. Truth is neither one nor two. It is as It is.” (Talks §376, §146) “Atmaswarupa—the source of all beings—is not different from the indivisible consciousness, [having desisted from splitting] itself into ‘I’ and ‘this’.” (Padamalai).
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Re: There is no Self

Postby Gord » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:01 pm

gachchy wrote:Now-a-days I don't write much because I prefer Silence over Speech.

Do you talk while you type? :?

All Polar Opposites are creations of Mind (Includes 5 Senses):

There are a lot more than five senses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense#Non ... nal_senses
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Re: There is no Self

Postby placid » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:25 pm

gachchy wrote:Now-a-days I don't write much because I prefer Silence over Speech.


Those that understand truth - have no need for words.

Their language is silence. Silence always speaks for itself.

Words are only ever pointers.


I know I'm wasting my time here, but hopefully something I say will penetrate through their wall of defence.

They could just sit on de fence :D

Or they could just keep on fencing.

It's their game.

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Re: There is no Self

Postby placid » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:32 pm

Gord wrote:
All Polar Opposites are creations of Mind (Includes 5 Senses):

There are a lot more than five senses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense#Non ... nal_senses


I think he knows that.

5 senses is a condensed version of the senses.

Keeping it short and sweet...wouldn't want to bore you with all the devil is in the detail stuff, save you might hang yourself from the nearest tree from info overload.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:43 pm

The devil sure is in this. Did you rouse and "oblige" your friend to prove your love for Hitler didn't throw a wrench in your agenda and expose you two as frauds?
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placid wrote:
gachchy wrote:Now-a-days I don't write much because I prefer Silence over Speech.


Those that understand truth - have no need for words.

Their language is silence. Silence always speaks for itself.






Words are only ever pointers.

So sez the Tolle (and/or others of that ilk), so it must be lucrative.


I know

Not sure...

I'm wasting my time here,

Sure thing.

but hopefully something I say will penetrate through their wall of defence.

No defense needed. Evidence based truth is sufficient to dissolve your lies.

They could just sit on de fence :D

Not here.

Or they could just keep on fencing.

It's their game.


No one is fencing. Unless some preaching nutbar shows up and insists on disturbing the peace, seeking attention and provoking responses unneeded up to that point. But you'd already lost your game before you ever decided to do any of that.

Perhaps it's time for you to seek more fertile hunting grounds. However, I wish you no luck in that.

Your fraud does too costly a damage in real people's real lives.
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Re: There is no Self

Postby placid » Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:08 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Your fraud does too costly a damage in real people's real lives.


I believe you are right.

I know I've been an idiot, I've said some stupid stuff here.

Matt was right, I am stupid...you are all right, you kept telling me but I didn't listen, now I will, and I will go away.

I'm going to stop with constant BS and not do it any more.

Sorry for the damage, I'll pay for it by leaving, take care everyone.

I'm happy to go because it's been hurting me as well, I need to stop doing this to myself and others.

Bye

Have fun with your quest for truth...be strong and hope you find it soon, and that we can all live in peace and harmony and live happy ever after.

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placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Your fraud does too costly a damage in real people's real lives.


I believe you are right.

I know I've been an idiot, I've said some stupid stuff here.

Matt was right, I am stupid...you are all right, you kept telling me but I didn't listen, now I will, and I will go away.

I'm going to stop with constant BS and not do it any more.

Sorry for the damage, I'll pay for it by leaving, take care everyone.

I'm happy to go because it's been hurting me as well, I need to stop doing this to myself and others.

Bye

Have fun with your quest for truth...be strong and hope you find it soon, and that we can all live in peace and harmony and live happy ever after.


Hey, not sure if you're serious or not but you don't sound like an idiot there. Not at all. And this is what I wish for you, if I may: Have a happy life on your beautiful island, maybe making your pretty ornaments, running your little business. Simple and simply such, ya know.

Who needs the extra trappings if something that precious is available to one, eh.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:35 pm

placid wrote:Searching for yourself by using conceptual thought......is like looking for a pet in the meat market.

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Re: There is no Self

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:06 pm

placid wrote: I'm going to stop with constant BS and not do it any more.

Thank you for leaving. You were wasting both your time and our time.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:18 pm

I was thinking if the user is serious about the change of heart (and mind), this is a good place for sensible discussions for a contemplative person. And 'placid' already met a few here who'd be up for it.

And I doubt anyone would be harping away on the past if none of that extreme nonsense ever raised its silly head again...
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:30 pm

...and have to add, unless the nondual/advaita sham is all that's of interest. Slim picking here for that except for the one or two mushy peaches in the fruit bowl corner.
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Postby Gord » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:14 am

placid wrote:I'm happy to go because it's been hurting me as well, I need to stop doing this to myself and others.

Bye

Hmmm. I believe you. I've been through a similar thing myself -- I once traded insults with someone on another forum over something they said that was completely over the top. It went on for weeks until I realized how stupid it was, how much time it was taking, and how hard it was for me to come up with the things I was posting (I was trying to be as hurtful as possible, because that was the theme of the exchange, the community, and the forum). Basically what I'm saying is, I was doing something I didn't want to do, and once I realized it I felt a great sense of relief at allowing myself to stop.
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Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:17 am

1. Of course there is a {!#%@} self. The fact that I am formulating thoughts and responding to you after having drank too much is proof.

2. Lay off Ryu: this is his first time discovering this {!#%@} and it warps your head. I went through something similar, Granted, I never took lunatics seriously and I waited for all the facts to become clear to me before I posted here, but I know what it feels like to think "gee, why do people belive this stupid {!#%@} and where can we find a through list of evidence refuting these {!#%@}?" So I feel for the poor guy.

I directed him to some helpful websites. I know this will help.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:32 am

Oh boy, seems to be a doozy if it leads to PUI in this subforum. :lol:
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Re: There is no Self

Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:41 am

#IcantfeelmyfaceonSSF #ButILoveIt #ButILoveIt

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Re: There is no Self

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:20 am

Gimme some of that. My knee still hurts. :-P
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Lard, save me from your followers.

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Re: There is no Self

Postby Gord » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:20 am

#ANDAMOVIE
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"Imagine an ennobling of what could be" -- the New Age BS Generator site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE
Is Trump in jail yet?

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Re: There is no Self

Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:29 am

scrmbldggs wrote:Gimme some of that. My knee still hurts. :-P

sorry scrm, I've never had anthing that's illegal in the US or attainable by prescription. ;)


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