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War on Science

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:36 pm
by Lausten
Just want to recommend this recent book by Shawn Otto. It is about a year old, but I think it will hold up well. It makes an easy to read romp through the history of science in the first third or so, intermingled with modern day conspiracy theories, then starts to focus in more detail on some of the bigger stories of the day, like climate change denial. When he hits parts that you are familiar with, it's actually fun, because he will probably tie in something you hadn't thought of.

He has no problem attacking liberals or conservatives, and he doesn't say that science isn't about politics. The anti-authoritarian nature of of science is one of his main themes, which is exactly we need it to inform our politics. When we can't decide what to do because we don't have all the facts or the expertise, that's when we should turn to the tools of science.

And, instead of just pointing to the problem like so many books, he makes some suggestions for actions at the end.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:07 pm
by Cadmusteeth
I have that book on hold at my local library and until I can get it I'm reading one of Otto's previous books.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:37 pm
by bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Lausten wrote: And, instead of just pointing to the problem like so many books, he makes some suggestions for actions at the end.

Like what?....................or ........... your favorite?

Re: War on Science

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:17 pm
by Gawdzilla Sama
Amazon has it.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:44 pm
by Cadmusteeth
Have you read Shawn Otto's other book, Fool me Twice, Lance?
I'm almost finished with the history section of it and it's been pretty Illuminating

Re: War on Science

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:35 pm
by Cadmusteeth
Cadmusteeth wrote:Have you read Shawn Otto's other book, Fool me Twice, Lance?
I'm almost finished with the history section of it and it's been pretty Illuminating

Well, I got the book this thread is about. And after comparing it with Fool me Twice, I found that War on Science is an updated version of that book.
Though that just means that I have less to read now.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:37 pm
by bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Cadmusteeth wrote:Have you read Shawn Otto's other book, Fool me Twice, Lance?
I'm almost finished with the history section of it and it's been pretty Illuminating

What was memorable for you?

Re: War on Science

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:52 pm
by Cadmusteeth
Well, other than that views on science were basically going to {!#%@} after WWII a lot of the woo we see on this site stem from the post modernist movement. (Which I know most people here are already aware of but it feels more real to me after reading about it.)

I'm sorry if that wasn't very clear. I put down more later on.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:34 am
by bobbo_the_Pragmatist
teeth: we went to the Moon after WW2. Invented computers, the internet, discovered and applied DNA. More science more quickly than at any other time in History. Pick another date.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:23 pm
by Anomaly
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:teeth: we went to the Moon after WW2. Invented computers, the internet, discovered and applied DNA. More science more quickly than at any other time in History. Pick another date.


You are right. But perhaps it is the conclusion that is wrong, and not the date?

Scientific advancement have been gained beyond what could be imagined in just few generations. Advancements needs time to be absorbed by the general public, especially when advancement leads to a paradigm shift. With the speed we have advanced since WW2, confused people who struggle to keep up should come as no surprise. Calling it a war on science just illustrates the difficulties of keeping up with scientific advancement on understanding how the human brain works.

I mean. I am supposed to not believe in magic and the supernatural. But I have to be honest. This is some real goddamn sorcery {!#%@} at work.

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Re: War on Science

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:30 pm
by bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Oh.........I think there is a WAR on Science: by the Republicans and their AlreadyTooRichInternationalKleptocrats. Telegraphed and started by BushtheRetard and really gone full tilt under Trump. Some of it, most of it from the business types, is just because the information tends to demand regulation so the business fight that because of that....not the science directly. then there are the religious.....and that a different ball of wax.

Issue by issue. They are all anti-science until they spot a benefit to themselves.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:46 pm
by Cadmusteeth
Yeah it talks about that and what happened to make it easier for guys like Bush to move in and push their agenda.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:34 pm
by Anomaly
Then a nefarious evil agenda it is....

Re: War on Science

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:58 pm
by Cadmusteeth
I might be giving Bush a little too much credit.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:00 am
by bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Bush = sock puppet. Look for the hands.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:47 am
by Gord
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Bush = sock puppet. Look for the hands.

Or the feet, depending on how they're being worn at the time.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:19 pm
by OlegTheBatty
Gord wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Bush = sock puppet. Look for the hands.

Or the feet, depending on how they're being worn at the time.


As far as I can tell, my feet haven't worn at all.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:51 am
by Gord
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gord wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Bush = sock puppet. Look for the hands.

Or the feet, depending on how they're being worn at the time.

As far as I can tell, my feet haven't worn at all.

You don't walk much?

Re: War on Science

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:00 pm
by OlegTheBatty
Gord wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gord wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Bush = sock puppet. Look for the hands.

Or the feet, depending on how they're being worn at the time.

As far as I can tell, my feet haven't worn at all.

You don't walk much?


:scratch: I did when I was a kid, and my feet kept getting bigger. I saw where that {!#%@} was leading, so I stopped when I hit size 11.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:02 pm
by Cadmusteeth
I think this is a great supplement to the topic at hand.https://youtu.be/8e1XX-ngJcc

Re: War on Science

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:45 am
by Cadmusteeth

Re: War on Science

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:50 pm
by Cadmusteeth
Cadmusteeth wrote:I might be giving Bush a little too much credit.

But in all seriousness, he and his family have investments in oil and findings in climate change threatened those as well as the energy industry in general. When Bush got back findings that global warming was happening he did everything in his power to hide the fact.

Re: War on Science

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:16 pm
by Gawdzilla Sama
I got this a while back. Need to move it to the "soon" stack.