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Hillary is a crook ??

Postby Lance Kennedy » Thu May 31, 2018 2:14 am

Something Bobbo just said.

Now, we can take it as a general rule that each and every politician in the USA is a crook. One article I read said that it is normal for moderately rich people entering Congress to leave as very rich people. Guess why ?

But why specifically pick on Hillary ? I have seen no evidence to indicate that she is more crooked than any other politician. The fact that she made the mistake of using the wrong ISP provider can be called an honest mistake rather than being crooked. After all, several of Trumps close team have been shown to have made exactly the same mistake, with similarly confidential data.

So why is Hillary a crook? Please give me genuine evidence, not just politically motivated bull dust.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu May 31, 2018 2:45 am

Guess Why?==insider trading is allowed to congress creeps and they get in ahead of everyone else with discounted buy-ins. That, and they are all allowed legally to extort campaign contributions. Of course, Hillary did that in spades as well.

ISP has ZERO to do with it. SHE OPERATED HER OWN SERVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ......and took files, even a few marked secret, off the gubment servers and put them on her own....often exactly as presented, but also with headings removed to hide the source.

There is a lot more that is more debatable, but Hillary publicly admitted to all the above. She made the claim that she didn't know about such technical things. Total BS....and totally irrelevant. But too many partisans constantly repeat it.
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Postby Aztexan » Thu May 31, 2018 3:51 am

Why single her out if they all do it? The woman has her faults, but she is barely on the radar if you're sane and rational. That Haspel woman tortured some people and she is somehow now a champion of feminism while ol Hil is the wicked witch of the west.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu May 31, 2018 3:55 am

they don't all do it. I made the distinction.
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Postby Gord » Thu May 31, 2018 8:05 am

Hillary is only a crook because it's a meme. The Donald said it three times, so it became "true" for many Americans. Besides, if she wasn't a crook, the entire Republican vendetta against her would have to have been purely political! [/reasoning]
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu May 31, 2018 8:38 am

Well, I said it at the time, and ever since. Before the email gate, I was of the opinion she was a co-conspirator with Hubby Slick Willie. A "Power Couple"....married for the power............and they love it.
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------------Clinton Body Count Grows With Shawn Lucas Death – New Media ...



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--------------------Here are a few more names on the Clinton Body Count List. This is a separate list from Bill Clinton’s sexual assault victims list.

1 – James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3 – Vince Foster – Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

5 – C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992… Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor.”

7- Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

11- Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death

19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.

20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21- Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee, died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

23 – Barry Seal – Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas, death was no accident.

24 – Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26- Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

27 – Kevin Ives and Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988.

29 – Keith McMaskle – Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

33 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to “natural causes.”

34 – Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

35 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD: 36 – Major William S. Barkley Jr. 37 – Captain Scott J. Reynolds 38 – Sgt. Brian Hanley 39 – Sgt. Tim Sabel 40 – Major General William Robertson 41 – Col. William Densberger 42 – Col. Robert Kelly 43 – Spec. Gary Rhodes 44 – Steve Willis 45 – Robert Williams 46 – Conway LeBleu 47 – Todd McKeehan
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Postby gorgeous » Thu May 31, 2018 9:56 am

DNC Process Server Shawn Lucas Cause of Death Released _ ...



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http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/shawn-luc ... y-clinton- ...
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Postby gorgeous » Thu May 31, 2018 10:00 am

wiki-----Several of these theories date to Clinton's tenure as the governor of Arkansas. Allegations include:
Being a drug addict
Having affairs with or harassing numerous women, including Paula Jones who later settled a sexual harassment lawsuit against Bill Clinton.
Troopergate- using Arkansas State Police officers to facilitate sexual liaisons and intimidate accusers
Misuse of funds with the Arkansas Development Finance Authority
Using Bank of Credit and Commerce International to launder money
Profiting from drug smuggling at the Mena Airport Protecting Barry Seal's drug smuggling activities
Murdering several witnesses to the Mena drug smuggling operation

Whitewater controversy
Covering up the cause of the death of Vince Foster
Using contacts at the Rose Law Firm to shred documents that would have implicated the Clintons in scandals
--------------Hillary helped ...at rose law firm, and threatening witness, victims....no one would get in their way for power...
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more Clinton bodies -------Alan Stan­dorf: An em­ployee of the Na­tional Se­cu­rity Agency in elec­tronic in­tel­li­gence. Stan­dorf was a source of in­for­ma­tion for Danny Casalaro who was in­ves­ti­gat­ing IN­SLAW, BCCI, etc. Stan­dor­f’s body was found in the back­seat of a car at Wash­ing­ton Na­tional Air­port on Jan 31, 1991.

Den­nis Eis­man: An at­tor­ney with in­for­ma­tion on IN­SLAW. Eis­man was found shot to death on April 5, 1991.

Danny Casalaro: Danny was a free-lance re­porter and writer who was in­ves­ti­gat­ing the “Oc­to­ber Sur­prise”, IN­SLAW and BCCI. Danny was found dead in a bath­tub in a Sher­a­ton Ho­tel room in Mar­tins­burg, West Vir­ginia. Danny was stay­ing at the ho­tel while keep­ing ap­point­ments in the DC area per­ti­nent to his in­ves­ti­ga­tion. He was found with his wrists slashed. At least one, and pos­si­bly both of his wrists were cut 10 times. All of his re­search ma­te­ri­als were miss­ing and have never been re­cov­ered.

Vic­tor Raiser: The Na­tional Fi­nance Co-Chair for “Clin­ton for Pres­i­dent.” He died in a air­plane crash on July 30, 1992.

R. Mont­gomery Raiser: Also in­volved in the Clin­ton pres­i­den­tial cam­paign. He died in the same plane crash as Vic­tor.

Paul Tully: Tul­ley was on the De­mo­c­ra­tic Na­tional Com­mit­tee. He was found dead of un­known causes in his ho­tel room on Sep­tem­ber 24, 1992. No au­topsy was ever al­lowed.

Ian Spiro: Spiro had sup­port­ing doc­u­men­ta­tion for grand jury pro­ceed­ings on the IN­SLAW case. His wife and 3 chil­dren were found mur­dered on No­vem­ber 1, 1992 in their home. They all died of gun­shot wounds to the head. Ian’s body was found sev­eral days later in a parked car in the Borego Desert. Cause of death? The in­ges­tion of cyanide. FBI re­port in­di­cated that Ian had mur­dered his fam­ily and then com­mit­ted sui­cide.

Paula Gober: A Clin­ton speech writer. She died in a car ac­ci­dent on De­cem­ber 9, 1992 with no known wit­nesses.

Jim Wil­hite: Wil­hite was an as­so­ci­ate of Mack McClar­ty’s for­mer firm. Wil­hite died in a ski­ing ac­ci­dent on De­cem­ber 21, 1992. He also had ex­ten­sive ties to Clin­ton with whom he vis­ited by tele­phone just hours be­fore his death.

Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Todd McK­ea­han & Con­way LeBleu: Died Feb­ru­ary 28, 1993 by gun­fire at Waco. All four were ex­am­ined by a pathol­o­gist and died from iden­ti­cal wounds to the left tem­ple. All four had been body guards for Bill Clin­ton, three while cam­paign­ing for Pres­i­dent and when he was Gov­er­nor of Arkansas.They also were the ONLY 4 BATF agents killed at Waco.

Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt. Tim Sabel, Maj. William Barkley, Capt. Scott Reynolds: Died: May 19, 1993 – All four men died when their he­li­copter crashed in the woods near Quan­tico, Va. – Re­porters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire de­part­ment re­spond­ing to the crash de­scribed it by say­ing, “Se­cu­rity was tight,” with “lots of Marines with guns.” A video­tape made by a fire­fighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had es­corted Clin­ton on his flight to the car­rier Roo­sevelt shortly be­fore their deaths.

John Craw­ford: An at­tor­ney with in­for­ma­tion on IN­SLAW. He died from a heart at­tack in Tacoma in April of 1993.
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wiki----Inslaw, Inc. is a Washington, D.C. based information technology company that markets case management software for corporate and government users. ---------------------------------Inslaw Inc is an information technology firm which developed the famous PROMIS software, an NCIC-type tracking technology incorporating numerous databases such as court records, financial institutions, and utility companies. Inslaw was forced into bankruptcy in 1985 because the US Justice Dept., which contracted to purchase it, reneged on its obligations.[1] Pirated versions of the software were sold by the US intelligence community worldwide to 88 foreign intelligence agencies, and other organizations such as banks. The program included a "backdoor" for US intelligence to hack into. Hillary Clinton was the intellectual property lawyer for a company that obtained and marketed copies of the stolen PROMIS software.[2]

That company was Systematics Inc, of Little Rock Arkansas,[3] now known as Alltel. Systematics was founded by Jackson Stephens of Stephens Inc., owners of Worthen Banking Corporation which bankrolled Bill Clinton's 1992 Presidential election campaign.[4] Stephen's was also co-owner, along with the Lippo Group (the Riady family) of the American branch of BCCI which laundered drugs and arms sales in the Iran-Contra scandal.[5] Systematics had an interest in further developing and marketing the stolen PROMIS software worldwide,[6] with its hidden "backdoor" for US intelligence hackers, to monitor in real time financial transactions and money laundering at banks throughout the world.[7][8] That backdoor can also be used by intelligence service hackers or others in possession of the program to launder money themselves.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu May 31, 2018 10:37 am

Gee G: the difference between your list and my listing is Hillary ADMITTED to the elements of the crime.
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Postby gorgeous » Thu May 31, 2018 10:54 am

they wouldn't admit to dozens of murders?...why not?
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Postby Cadmusteeth » Thu May 31, 2018 6:12 pm

He just said she did.

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Postby TJrandom » Thu May 31, 2018 6:24 pm

Gorgeous missed Otto Warmbier - surely he is one of Hillarys` victims since she was SOS at one time and thus just must be responsible. /snark

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Postby gorgeous » Thu May 31, 2018 8:35 pm

the list is real...there is a very long Bush body count list too...
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Postby TJrandom » Thu May 31, 2018 8:45 pm

Yes - just as the existence of conspiracy nutters is real, the list is real - the information therein contained and in the case of your list, attribution to Hillary, is pure BS.

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Postby gorgeous » Thu May 31, 2018 8:46 pm

no........do research......Benjamin Disraeli — 'The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.' ---------."--Apparently, 'conspiracy stuff' is now shorthand for unspeakable truth."---

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Postby TJrandom » Thu May 31, 2018 8:48 pm

He died in 1881 - surely Hillary was not responsible...

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Postby scrmbldggs » Thu May 31, 2018 8:58 pm

Seth can explain...
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Thu May 31, 2018 11:40 pm

Anything gorgeous says I file under "crackpot claims". He, she or it has made too many ridiculous claims and has lost the privilege of being taken seriously.

George W. Bush, though, has a hit list of 400,000. That is the number of people some academics estimate died unnecessarily, due to the ridiculous invasion of Iraq.

Regardless of any other faults, any presidential candidate committed to peace deserves the vote. I am nervous of Trump who makes aggressive noises against North Korea and Iran.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:43 am

It wasn't the invasion of Iraq that killed so many and wasted so many bucks.

It was staying there.

See the difference? ((blah, blah....................))
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Lance Kennedy wrote:George W. Bush, though, has a hit list of 400,000. That is the number of people some academics estimate died unnecessarily, due to the ridiculous invasion of Iraq.

Only 400,000? That number sounds low. I heard it was between 600,000 and 1.5 million. Where Iraqi soldier casualties remarkably high in the immediate invasion, or am I remembering incorrectly?
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:50 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:But why specifically pick on Hillary ?


The term "Crooked Hillary" was a result of statistical formulated propaganda by Cambridge Analytica. It had nothing to do with reality. It was simply the most simple expression that idiots like Gorgeous and Tom Palven could remember and repeat like the parrots they are.

It's the same logic as finding the most interesting colours for tooth paste boxes, in advertising, using industrial psychology and focus groups.


Cambridge Analytica bosses claimed they invented 'Crooked Hillary' campaign
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-21/c ... ia/9570690

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Postby Gord » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:51 pm

Huh. I was actually willing to believe Trump came up with that one on his own.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:34 pm

They also fed him "Drain the Swamp" - which he thought ridiculous and rejected before testing it and hitting yet another easy mark. He even spoke about that and they love him for stringing them along...


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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:52 pm

Gord wrote:Huh. I was actually willing to believe Trump came up with that one on his own.

"The medium is the message." //// Trump is a textbook example of a media created personality: think Paris Hilton or anyone else "famous for being famous" except that Trump had a thing for being President. Most of his ideas come from popular media and he is very shaped, molded, guided by Fox News.

And what is Faux Spews? A recent start up "counter cultural" for profit creation of One Man: Rupert Murdock on seeing that Ted Turner was printing money at CNN. So...he provided the alternative to print money from the other point of view.

Trump is mostly the RESULT of Rupert Murdock. Not "analysis" but rather the casting of a net of a consistent point of view to grab eyeballs and the advertising dollars that flow from there. Its not hard. Pick any "idea" at all and see how many people go for it. I always think of Charlie Manson. Totally nuts; lets start a race war between Blacks and Whites. Its an "idea." How many people will go for it? Well, Charlie found about 6 or 8. Not enough eyeballs to sell to Madison Avenue, so he went on his own private killing spree.

Same thing.

.............................. just look.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:30 pm

Gord wrote:Only 400,000? That number sounds low. I heard it was between 600,000 and 1.5 million. Where Iraqi soldier casualties remarkably high in the immediate invasion, or am I remembering incorrectly?


The number is not fixed in cement, and different academics come up with different estimates. Most of those deaths were not direct war deaths. Most were a consequence of the war, and the hatred between Shiite and Sunni that flourished after the suppressing force of Saddam was removed.

Something similar happened in what was Yugoslavia after the death of Tito, when ethnic hatreds flared up.

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Postby Lance Kennedy » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:49 am

Well, enough time has passed that I can draw a conclusion. No one, even Bobbo, has offered evidence for Hillary being a crook. Just unsupported claims. Even if true, they do not make her worse than other politicians, and certainly much better than the liar Trump.

Some time ago, I read an article which described a quirk of human psychology. If the average person is exposed to a lie that is repeated often, he or she will come to believe it. It is clear that the American people have been conned, bamboozled, swindled and hornswoggled by such a lie. Trump repeated the phrase 'crooked Hillary ' so often that millions of people believed it. Not the smarter skeptics, of course !

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Re: Hillary is a crook ??

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:10 am

LANCE!!!!!!

She agreed with every element of a charge of violation of national security in her setting up her own server.

Stop the ....................... wilful misleading. Leave it to Hillary.
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Re: Hillary is a crook ??

Postby Lance Kennedy » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:44 am

Bobbo

Nothing too terrible. Several of Trumps close staff did the same. I was looking for something more substantial than a mistake with email.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:58 am

Its a violation of National Security that people have gone to jail for doing much less. I heard one report of 4 people who may have died as a result. She was told multiple times not to do it, but she ignored it with her years of privilege.

Name one person who installed their own server and transferred secret documents to it.

You can't because using unsecured mail servers is not the same thing at all.

You really do slip from time to time showing your brain is mush.

AS STATED: I use this instance because she has admitted to EVERY ELEMENT of the crime unlike 2 dozen other nefarious crimes and self dealing where some excuse or denial is offered. The most often: mere coincidence. You know: getting money and authorizing exemptions from trade restrictions and so forth.....just on and on...

so, yeah: Hillary is a crook, its on the public record. To counter as you do that there are other crooks, is just irrelevant. You should do better.
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Re: Hillary is a crook ??

Postby ElectricMonk » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:49 am

You have heard, bobbo?
You have any link that people died?

Remember that none of the documents were classified at the time, only retroactively. Remember also that the State Department servers were hacked, but her private one wasn't BECAUSE IT WAS BETTER SECURED!

The Bush admin did the same, and deleted millions of files , fired a judge who wanted to investigative and never got into trouble.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:03 am

ElectricMonk wrote:You have heard, bobbo?
You have any link that people died?

Remember that none of the documents were classified at the time, only retroactively. Remember also that the State Department servers were hacked, but her private one wasn't BECAUSE IT WAS BETTER SECURED!

The Bush admin did the same, and deleted millions of files , fired a judge who wanted to investigative and never got into trouble.


You have any link that people died? /// No, thats why I didn't mention it the first time through...I just went with what Hillary has admitted in public. Several different Nat Sec CRIMES.

Remember that none of the documents were classified at the time, only retroactively./// a QUIBBLE: they were all classified at the time, just not stamped---except for the dozen or so that were. Lack of classification is the often repeated FUD put out by Hillary, repeated by the Media, and believed by all too many. Just like the FUD that she had "no intention" to misuse classified material. BOTH POINTS ARE TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

Remember also that the State Department servers were hacked, /// Irrelevant

but her private one wasn't BECAUSE IT WAS BETTER SECURED! /// I understand that it "wasn't secured at all" either by software or by physical location.....someone bathroom?...and it was just a stand alone pc type device. And again: totally irrelevant to the CRIMES committed.

The Bush admin did the same, and deleted millions of files , fired a judge who wanted to investigative and never got into trouble. /// Bush had his own server? Never heard of that and the point made was just the opposite. Yes...many people sent confidential State Security information over unsecured internet providers like AOL.....that is NOT setting up your own server. totally different animal. AND AGAIN: irrelevant if Bush did it.

They question was: what crimes did Hillary Commit. NOT what crimes did Hillary commit that no one else did> My answer would be the same.
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Re: Hillary is a crook ??

Postby ElectricMonk » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:17 am

bobbo, you do not have proper information about the Clinton email server: it had been properly set up, properly updated and maintained security, unlike the Sate Department. This has been documented. There is no evidence that anyone was harmed by the fact that she was using it -apart from her campaign, of course.
Comey called her use "extremely careless" - NOT criminal: you aren't a lawyer, so don't assume something is a crime because you read a law.

On the list of crooks, Clinton is way down the list.

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Re: Hillary is a crook ??

Postby Lance Kennedy » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:08 pm

As I implied, I think the ONLY reason why she was considered a crook (as opposed to the hundreds of equally or more crooked congresspeople before her ) is that Trump kept lying by calling her 'crooked Hillary '. That is a tactic that fools only the gullible.

If she had been genuinely a crook, she would already be in prison. The people investigating her, at Trumps insistence, gave up because they found nothing to indict her with.

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Re: Hillary is a crook ??

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:26 am

ElectricMonk wrote:bobbo, you do not have proper information about the Clinton email server: it had been properly set up, properly updated and maintained security, unlike the Sate Department. This has been documented. There is no evidence that anyone was harmed by the fact that she was using it -apart from her campaign, of course.
Comey called her use "extremely careless" - NOT criminal: you aren't a lawyer, so don't assume something is a crime because you read a law.

On the list of crooks, Clinton is way down the list.

EM: you surprise me. You post as if not understanding what IRRELEVANT MEANS.

bobbo, you do not have proper information about the Clinton email server: it had been properly set up, properly updated and maintained security, unlike the Sate Department. /// Well, THAT is true. THE CRIME however was in setting up a private server. After doing that, IT DOESN'T MATTER what else was done. I fear to go this far, but, its like saying you can break a convicted killer out of jail and execute them according to proper protocols. NO....THAT IS THE JOB OF THE GUBMENT==>NOT VOLUNTEERS. Very likewise.....the hackable servers at the State department is IRRELEVANT. Note: I firmly believe that Hillary set up her private server in order to defeat any Freedom of Information Act request or Subpoena from Law Enforcement===>not to provide better security than the gubment....which sounds like total BS from the get go.

2. There is no evidence that anyone was harmed by the fact that she was using it -apart from her campaign, of course. /// I accept that, BECAUSE IT IS IRRELEVANT. and....waking up, I thought the "four people died" might have been a news item from the Valerie Plame intentional Puke revelation.....but still, maybe not. Can't really "document" either way.

3. Comey called her use "extremely careless" - NOT criminal /// Yes, exactly after citing every element of her actions being CRIMINAL and using a term that is not normally use. Can you spell Slick Willy meeting with Loretta Lynch for one hour to discuss golfing and grand kiddies?

4. you aren't a lawyer, so don't assume something is a crime because you read a law. /// Being able to read is a real key. You don't have to be a lawyer to do that..............although they are trained to know that different words mean different things. That is a skill/recognition far too lacking in general society. Poetry teaches us this.
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Re: Hillary is a crook ??

Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:56 am

In other words, Bobbo, you have nothing.

She used the wrong ISP. Which was a mistake. She admitted the mistake, and none of the law enforcers saw it as serious enough to lay charges.

She may be corrupt, it the way that all politicians are corrupt, but you do not have a case for calling her a crook.

Sadly, millions of gullible people voted in a much worse person, who is genuinely a crook, a liar, a tax evader, and a disaster waiting to happen.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:38 am

1. In other words, Bobbo, you have nothing./// No, I have what I posted.

2. She used the wrong ISP. /// No, she created her own private server and moved confidential documents from secured government servers to her own which was not.

3. Which was a mistake. /// More than a mistake: its against the common sense, universal WITHOUT EXCEPTION practice, AND THE LAW.

4. She admitted the mistake, /// I think what she said is she inherited whatever had been going on before and she didn't know technology==>both statements a lie.

5. and none of the law enforcers saw it as serious enough to lay charges. /// Correct. That is why Comey went unhinged and called her activities grossly negligent. A clear tell the fix was in: aka Lynch who was Comey's boss at the time "meeting" with Slick Willy. Again: like too many, you buy into the notion of the Breaches of National Security requiring the men rea of intentionality ===>WHEN IT DOES NOT. Why did Comey go at length over grossly negligent rather than just say there was not sufficient evidence? Answer: playing to the gullible public.

6. She may be corrupt, it the way that all politicians are corrupt, but you do not have a case for calling her a crook. /// Purely definitional. If like TJ there is no crook without the conviction after a criminal case is brought: you are quite correct. If you have a brain that can think and see on your own: Just Look.

7. Sadly, millions of gullible people voted in a much worse person, who is genuinely a crook, a liar, a tax evader, and a disaster waiting to happen. /// No waiting about it. Its happening every day, all around us.
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Re: Hillary is a crook ??

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:56 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Again: like too many, you buy into the notion of the Breaches of National Security requiring the men rea of intentionality ===>WHEN IT DOES NOT.
Really? Can you set out the Supreme Court cases and majority decisions, that remove the discretion of the prosecutors to not proceed, in the absence of criminal intent. I'm fascinated.


bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: I firmly believe that Hillary set up her private server in order to defeat any Freedom of Information Act request or Subpoena from Law Enforcement
How would that work? Are you claiming private emails can't be subpoenaed. :lol:


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