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Postby Major Malfunction » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:18 pm

Why hasn't the USA adopted metric?
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Major Malfunction wrote:Why hasn't the USA adopted metric?


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Postby Major Malfunction » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:10 pm

Probably. It is the vein of the general US populous to avoid doing anything remotely taxing.
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Postby TJrandom » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:29 pm

Maybe they are waiting for a better system to come along - something that will make America great again? :mrgreen:

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Postby Major Malfunction » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:48 pm

The USA was best when they were isolationists.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:43 am

Major Malfunction wrote:Why hasn't the USA adopted metric?
I wish we would. It's embarrassing. We have in limited areas outside science. Hard liquor, wine, and soda all come in metric measures, but beer doesn't. Drugs are measured using the metric system, except we've kept the ounce and pound for some reason. (I'm thinking mainly of cannabis. Small amounts are in grams, but larger amounts are fractions of an ounce. Weird. It's much easier to think "7 grams" than it is to think "a quarter of an ounce.")

As to the "why," I think it's because many Americans are afraid of change...and most are too lazy to handle the transition period during which they'd have to learn to "think" in a new "language." When I was in high school, I think I was the only one of 2,000 students who took two foreign languages (French and German), and both of them for all four years. Most people didn't even take one, since it was only a requirement for college. Even there, the requirement was two years of one language. I still regret not also taking Latin.

Of course, since I haven't kept up with either one, my skills have mostly been lost. In German, I'm about at the menu-reading level. "Noch ein Bier, bitte." My French is only slightly better. *sigh*
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:57 am

LunaNik wrote:As to the "why," I think it's because many Americans are afraid of change...
Major Malfunction and myself went through this as kiddies.

In 1966 we dropped the pound, shillings and pence for dollars and cents.
In 1971 we dropped pounds and gallons for litres and kilos.

As you can imagine school lessons became a lot easier. No more ridiculous memory calculations of how many rods in a chain or how many chains in a mile, or how many inch in a foot.
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There is still some cultural difference in metric. In Eastern Europe you buy drinks by the decilitre. In Australia its still the old colonial expressions, "a schooner", "a pony", "a pot", "a pint", "a middie" and so on. :D

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:40 pm

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LunaNik wrote:As to the "why," I think it's because many Americans are afraid of change...
Major Malfunction and myself went through this as kiddies.

In 1966 we dropped the pound, shillings and pence for dollars and cents.
In 1971 we dropped pounds and gallons for litres and kilos.

As you can imagine school lessons became a lot easier. No more ridiculous memory calculations of how many rods in a chain or how many chains in a mile, or how many inch in a foot.
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There is still some cultural difference in metric. In Eastern Europe you buy drinks by the decilitre. In Australia its still the old colonial expressions, "a schooner", "a pony", "a pot", "a pint", "a middie" and so on. :D

And I think that's the part that many Americans don't get...parts of their lives would be easier once they got through that transition part. No more adding fractions. ("Ok, Dave...cut the next board at 6¾" + 2⅝" + 3½"." :shockd: ) No more multiplying or dividing by weird numbers to change scale. ("14,693 feet? How many miles is that? Divide by 5,280." :blink: )
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Postby Hex » Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:53 pm

LunaNik wrote:And I think that's the part that many Americans don't get...parts of their lives would be easier once they got through that transition part. No more adding fractions. ("Ok, Dave...cut the next board at 6¾" + 2⅝" + 3½"." :shockd: ) No more multiplying or dividing by weird numbers to change scale. ("14,693 feet? How many miles is that? Divide by 5,280." :blink: )

Though not a huge fan of imperial measurements, there is something about using it when I'm doing drawings that I just seem to like more than the metric system. Though I grew up in the time Canada was transitioning to the metric system so both systems were taught with equal measure in the schools. So I have this odd comfort in saying I'm 6 foot, one inch tall rather than 185 cm.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:04 pm

Hex wrote:Though not a huge fan of imperial measurements, there is something about using it when I'm doing drawings that I just seem to like more than the metric system. Though I grew up in the time Canada was transitioning to the metric system so both systems were taught with equal measure in the schools. So I have this odd comfort in saying I'm 6 foot, one inch tall rather than 185 cm.

Maybe because 6 feet offers a benchmark?

Americans do get used to it, as proven by the places where we do use it. We all know what a 2-liter bottle of soda looks like, and barely remember how soda was sold before. I don't think we would have much trouble transitioning to metric volumes. Weights and measures would be more difficult, since we have fewer frames of reference for them.
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Postby TJrandom » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:05 pm

LunaNik wrote:... Weights and measures would be more difficult, since we have fewer frames of reference for them.


Don`t measuring cups, bathroom scales, temperature gages, packaging labels, etc. - all come with both scales today?

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:22 pm

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LunaNik wrote:... Weights and measures would be more difficult, since we have fewer frames of reference for them.


Don`t measuring cups, bathroom scales, temperature gages, packaging labels, etc. - all come with both scales today?

Yes, for the most part. I certainly wouldn't have any issue with the switch. Frankly, I'd welcome it.

I don't know what it is about American culture that make so many of my fellow countryfolk afraid of change. They don't even stop to distinguish whether the change is good or bad; they seem to automatically reject it out of fear. Isn't it better to take a look at how you're doing something, determine whether or not it's the best way, then make a decision? That's the rational approach, anyway.

Example: I've spoken to people who live in states where their primaries are conducted by caucus. To me, this is the height of insanity. You've got a crowded room, and you're counting votes based on a show of hands? Meanwhile, people have to sit there all damn day? What's the advantage? They say they like it, because it's like a big community get-together. :blink: What in hell does that have to do with the reason you're there?! Schedule a community get-together, then! Meanwhile, print up some ballots and vote like normal people. Because what if you can't sit there all day because of age, disability, work, or small children?
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:30 am

TJrandom wrote:Don`t measuring cups, bathroom scales, temperature gages, packaging labels, etc. - all come with both scales today?
You mean all three scales.
USA "cup" = 236 milliliters
Imperial cup = 284 milliliters.

That's why I never invite Americans or English people around for dinner.
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LunaNik wrote: I don't know what it is about American culture that make so many of my fellow countryfolk afraid of change.
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LunaNik wrote: I don't know what it is about American culture that make so many of my fellow countryfolk afraid of change.
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TJrandom wrote:Don`t measuring cups, bathroom scales, temperature gages, packaging labels, etc. - all come with both scales today?
You mean all three scales.
USA "cup" = 236 milliliters
Imperial cup = 284 milliliters.

That's why I never invite Americans or English people around for dinner.
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It's so much easier to weigh ingredients! Put your bowl on the scale, tare, add ingredient, tare, repeat. Most Americans don't have scales in their kitchens...even if they bake frequently.
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LunaNik wrote: It's so much easier to weigh ingredients! Put your bowl on the scale, tare, add ingredient, tare, repeat. Most Americans don't have scales in their kitchens...even if they bake frequently.


You're right. I'm semi retired but my partner still works......so I do all the cooking. Five years ago I followed recipes exactly and prepared lots of little bowls with all the pre measured ingredients before I started cooking. (very anal behaviour). I'm pretty good now but I'm still learning.

(I'm the bloke who forces my partner to stop watching "Sex in the city" re-runs so I can watch a cooking show. In Australia this is characterised as "What are ya? Some sort of poofta?" )
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LunaNik wrote: It's so much easier to weigh ingredients! Put your bowl on the scale, tare, add ingredient, tare, repeat. Most Americans don't have scales in their kitchens...even if they bake frequently.


You're right. I'm semi retired but my partner still works......so I do all the cooking. Five years ago I followed recipes exactly and prepared lots of little bowls with all the pre measured ingredients before I started cooking. (very anal behaviour). I'm pretty good now but I'm still learning.

(I'm the bloke who forces my partner to stop watching "Sex in the city" re-runs so I can watch a cooking show. In Australia this is characterised as "What are ya? Some sort of poofta?" )
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Ha! I used to do the mise en place too. Now I hardly measure anything. If needed, I'll "measure" in my cupped hand. But I do weigh ingredients when I'm baking or when cooking something that actually requires the chemistry to be correct.

America's the same about men watching cooking shows...unless it's Iron Chef or one of the competitions. Frankly, I think everyone should watch cooking shows (at least the good ones).
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LunaNik wrote: Frankly, I think everyone should watch cooking shows (at least the good ones).
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LunaNik wrote: Frankly, I think everyone should watch cooking shows (at least the good ones).
Every male in the world wrote: Death to Nigela Lawson! Long live Rick Stein!
:D

What?! IFL Nigella! The way that gorgeous woman talks about food could turn me into a gluttonous lesbian...lol. I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't heard of Rick Stein, but when I looked him up and saw his lovely menu, I fell in love. He treats seafood so delicately and respectfully.
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LunaNik wrote: What?! IFL Nigella! The way that gorgeous woman talks about food could turn me into a gluttonous lesbian...lol. I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't heard of Rick Stein, but when I looked him up and saw his lovely menu, I fell in love. He treats seafood so delicately and respectfully.
TV Chef Nigela Lawson wrote: ....and we now add a dollipop of virginal sesame seed, grown on the left side of the hill, a smidgen of Portuguese green salt produced between 1967 and late 1967, and a plopigotulate of sun dried tomatoes pressed by nuns at exactly 4.15pm, using planks rubbed with cinnamon sticks....
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Rick Stein does peasant cooking.......and I'm a peasant. :D

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Postby TJrandom » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:38 am

What? Don`t yall have those cooking in the nude shows?

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Is it the danger of oil spatter that excites you?
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Major Malfunction wrote:Why hasn't the USA adopted metric?

Why do Brits still use miles?
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Major Malfunction wrote:Why hasn't the USA adopted metric?

Why do Brits still use miles?

Well, they invented the mile, so I suppose tradition? But that leaves no excuse for the Yanks, whom espouse all things British, like tea and scones.

The rest of the colonies rejected her measurement teat a long time ago.
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Ha, ha..........I'm having tea and scones right now for breakfast.................late lunch. I like pasties and fish and chips too. Hate the Monarchy.

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Major Malfunction wrote:Why hasn't the USA adopted metric?

Why do Brits still use miles?


I suspect it is because they are set in stone, and can still be found as such.

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Major Malfunction wrote:Why hasn't the USA adopted metric?

Why do Brits still use miles?


I suspect it is because they are set in stone, and can still be found as such.

I see. Brits are stoned.
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LunaNik wrote: What?! IFL Nigella! The way that gorgeous woman talks about food could turn me into a gluttonous lesbian...lol. I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't heard of Rick Stein, but when I looked him up and saw his lovely menu, I fell in love. He treats seafood so delicately and respectfully.
TV Chef Nigela Lawson wrote: ....and we now add a dollipop of virginal sesame seed, grown on the left side of the hill, a smidgen of Portuguese green salt produced between 1967 and late 1967, and a plopigotulate of sun dried tomatoes pressed by nuns at exactly 4.15pm, using planks rubbed with cinnamon sticks....
TV Chef Rick Stein wrote: After you rub garlic on your entire lamb, you throw it in the charcoal ashes......lovely


Rick Stein does peasant cooking.......and I'm a peasant. :D

That's not Nigella...that's the Barefoot Contessa who lives in Westchester County in a ginormous house. Her hubby works "in the city" all week, so she has a bunch of stuck-up friends she cooks for during the week. "Use a good imported extra virgin olive oil." The word "good" is always in there somewhere. And usually "imported." Unless, of course, it's "local and artisanal." Seriously, these people have broomsticks firmly inserted at birth. I'm certain that part of their upbringing is learning the fake, social laugh.

Then, there's this woman who started out as a blogger and is a TV cook. She calls herself "The Pioneer Woman." She lives with her husband and 85 children on a cattle ranch in Texas. This "pioneer woman" has no vegetable garden, chickens, dairy cows...nothing. She gets her groceries at Walmart...including lots of processed food. And she cooks gawdawful crap.

The funny thing is that lots of dishes that are considered gourmet started out as peasant food. Vichyssoise. Lobster. Oysters. Oxtail Soup. Nothing wrong with peasant food. :mrgreen:
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:23 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Ha, ha..........I'm having tea and scones right now for breakfast.................late lunch. I like pasties and fish and chips too. Hate the Monarchy.

bobbo_the_Ugly_American.

It's tough to find decent fish and chips. Then people give me weird looks when I put malt vinegar on my chips. No mushy peas for me, though, thanks.

Pasties are awesome. My daughter and I make a variety of breakfast pasties—both savory and slightly sweet—then flash freeze them. They heat up nicely in the toaster oven.
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