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something like the soviet finland border fence would be a good start .
if the commies could do it way up there ; should be a piece of cake down there .
for the real minority ; there will be no justice , there will be no peace .
makes sense 2me , so it has 2be wrong .

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psychiatry is a scam wrote:something like the soviet finland border fence would be a good start .
if the commies could do it way up there ; should be a piece of cake down there .


No Mexican bandido would be able to cross such a magnificent fence as that fence which separates Russia from Finland. :lol:
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Re: Trump promises

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submit designs for trumps border wall until march 20
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Re: Trump promises

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:something like the soviet finland border fence would be a good start .
if the commies could do it way up there ; should be a piece of cake down there .


No Mexican bandido would be able to cross such a magnificent fence as that fence which separates Russia from Finland. :lol: finland-russia-border.jpg


the main part of that fence was the 7 kilometer kill zone .
someone wrote a book about trying to get through it .
will have to do the research now :-(
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Re: Trump promises

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psychiatry is a scam wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:something like the soviet finland border fence would be a good start .
if the commies could do it way up there ; should be a piece of cake down there .


No Mexican bandido would be able to cross such a magnificent fence as that fence which separates Russia from Finland. :lol: finland-russia-border.jpg


the main part of that fence was the 7 kilometer kill zone .
someone wrote a book about trying to get through it .
will have to do the research now :-(


Well, there you go - a 7km kill zone on the US side, enforced with drones or maybe even a powerful satellite mounted laser - should just about do it. I`d fine tune it to even get those rattlers and desert rats, and maybe even those killer bees. Of course some of those border towns would suffer, but all for the greater good – right? Too bad that those states are mostly red, but I am sure that they would gladly bear the burden. :?

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Re: Trump promises

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"The Washington Post's Fact Checker has identified 247 false or misleading claims in Trump's first not-quite two months in office. He has gone a grand total of two full days without uttering something false or misleading. On the first of those two days, it was because he said almost nothing publicly."

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Promise 78, to protect the LGBTQ community as above, now is doubly broken with this additional executive action – removing the requirement that government contractors certify LGBTQ law compliance.

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TJrandom wrote:Promise 78, to protect the LGBTQ community as above, now is doubly broken with this additional executive action – removing the requirement that government contractors certify LGBTQ law compliance.


Fortunately, the courts haven't completely capitulated yet. Trump's outrageous incitement of violence against protesters in Kentucky last year has led to a lawsuit that the judge says can proceed.

Lawsuits, however, do not affect Trump's popularity, or Bill O'Reilly's popularity, apparently. Both are unprincipled bullies, backing down from strong people who confront them, and laying it onto the smaller kids, using the machinery that stands behind them. Take away the wealthy institutions that back them, and they'd both show up as the pathetic losers they are.
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Re: Trump promises

Postby TJrandom » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:08 am

Time to call it on #11 - "I will take care of women, and I have great respect for women. I do cherish women, and I will take care of women." The scumbag…broken

Trump Pulls Back Obama-Era Protections For Women Workers

On March 27, Trump revoked the 2014 Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces order then-President Barack Obama put in place to ensure that companies with federal contracts comply with 14 labor and civil rights laws. The Fair Pay order was put in place after a 2010 Government Accountability Office investigation showed that companies with rampant violations were being awarded millions in federal contracts.

In an attempt to keep the worst violators from receiving taxpayer dollars, the Fair Pay order included two rules that impacted women workers: paycheck transparency and a ban on forced arbitration clauses for sexual harassment, sexual assault or discrimination claims.

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"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
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Postby JO 753 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:53 am

Nobody needz to wonder why there are so many con men in America - it haz an inegzaustabl supply uv chumps!
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In today's self-serving environment it's even in their description - con-servative.
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Re: Trump promises

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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
TJrandom wrote:Promise 78, to protect the LGBTQ community as above, now is doubly broken with this additional executive action – removing the requirement that government contractors certify LGBTQ law compliance.


Fortunately, the courts haven't completely capitulated yet. Trump's outrageous incitement of violence against protesters in Kentucky last year has led to a lawsuit that the judge says can proceed.

Lawsuits, however, do not affect Trump's popularity, or Bill O'Reilly's popularity, apparently. Both are unprincipled bullies, backing down from strong people who confront them, and laying it onto the smaller kids, using the machinery that stands behind them. Take away the wealthy institutions that back them, and they'd both show up as the pathetic losers they are.


Broken yet again, with the Transgender military service ban.

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Re: Trump promises

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TJrandom wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
TJrandom wrote:Promise 78, to protect the LGBTQ community as above, now is doubly broken with this additional executive action – removing the requirement that government contractors certify LGBTQ law compliance.


Fortunately, the courts haven't completely capitulated yet. Trump's outrageous incitement of violence against protesters in Kentucky last year has led to a lawsuit that the judge says can proceed.

Lawsuits, however, do not affect Trump's popularity, or Bill O'Reilly's popularity, apparently. Both are unprincipled bullies, backing down from strong people who confront them, and laying it onto the smaller kids, using the machinery that stands behind them. Take away the wealthy institutions that back them, and they'd both show up as the pathetic losers they are.


Broken yet again, with the Transgender military service ban.


And, of course, with copious BS about the "expense" of having transgendered people in the service. It has been pointed out that the armed services spend more on Viagra than they do on transgendered service personnel. As for the certification of compliance by contractors, I'm sure none of us expected that Trump would make even the slightest attempt to enforce this requirement anyway.
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Its just an attempt to distract us from the TrumPutin Conspiracy. Available August 5th in hardcover and paperback.
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Postby TJrandom » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:14 am

(From March 11th post…) With Trump now supporting the `repeal and hobble` healthcare bill, it is time to call it. Of course he could eventually veto the bill, but failing to do so makes these more broken promises.

6. Get rid of Obamacare and replace it with something "terrific" that is "so much better, so much better, so much better."



Previously called a failure – but today`s vote seems to seal the deal. Trumps` promise #6 failed, and the ACA is here to stay.

Great for Americans who have healthcare insurance due to the ACA. Of course it still needs to be improved, but that isn`t likely to happen with Republicans in control of government.

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Re: Trump promises

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JO 753 wrote:Its just an attempt to distract us from the TrumPutin Conspiracy. Available August 5th in hardcover and paperback.


Hey Jo 753, I might owe you an apology.......but did you vote for trump and then change your view after he was elected?

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TJrandom wrote:Great for Americans who have healthcare insurance due to the ACA.


True. Good point. Can't argue that.

But not so great for Americans who don't have healthcare insurance due to the ACA.

And not so great for those Americans who wanted to keep their doctor, as promised by Obama, but that promise was broken by the ACA.

And not so great for those Americans who wanted to keep their previous healthcare plan, as promised by Obama, but that promise was broken by the ACA.

And not so great for those Americans whose healthcare insurance premiums doubled under the ACA, contrary to what Obama promised. Or for anyone else whose premiums went up significantly instead of down, as promised.

And not so great for Americans who, in addition to paying for their own healthcare, must now also pay extra taxes to cover certain other people's healthcare insurance due to the ACA.

But, yeah, great for those who benefited from the ACA. But not so great for those who were harmed by the ACA and the broken promises of Obama.

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Seems they are (finally) talking about getting together to work out a better solution.
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...and most likely not of this kind.
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Re: Trump promises

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xouper wrote:
TJrandom wrote:Great for Americans who have healthcare insurance due to the ACA.


True. Good point. Can't argue that.

But not so great for Americans who don't have healthcare insurance due to the ACA.

And not so great for those Americans who wanted to keep their doctor, as promised by Obama, but that promise was broken by the ACA.

And not so great for those Americans who wanted to keep their previous healthcare plan, as promised by Obama, but that promise was broken by the ACA.

And not so great for those Americans whose healthcare insurance premiums doubled under the ACA, contrary to what Obama promised. Or for anyone else whose premiums went up significantly instead of down, as promised.

And not so great for Americans who, in addition to paying for their own healthcare, must now also pay extra taxes to cover certain other people's healthcare insurance due to the ACA.

But, yeah, great for those who benefited from the ACA. But not so great for those who were harmed by the ACA and the broken promises of Obama.


The ACA didn`t cause anyone to lose insurance. Nor did it cause any doctor to turn away a patient; doctors who did that, did it on their own. Nor did premiums double under the ACA on a coverage for coverage basis. But I do agree that insurance causes healthy people to pay for sick people - just as property taxes cause childless people to pay for the education of those with children (where that is the use of property taxes). All part of living in a great and caring society. Very similar to paying for the military thru taxation when the military is there to protect the interests of the oligarchs. The very nature of insurance and taxes.

Anyway – bottom line is Broken Promise.

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The Grouper vs TJ split. Nothing but: Pros and Cons to all we do. aka: there is no "the people" who need to be served. Every law has Pros and Cons. Every law creates winners and losers. Those who gain and those who are injured. There are smart/cheaper ways to do things (Single Payer) vs dumb/expensive ways to do things (Republican Healthcare aka ObamaCare).

Lies on both sides should not prevent anyone interested enough to perform their own Pro/con analysis/ .... smart/dumb .... expensive/cheap ...... myself/society as a whole .......... long term/short term ... types of analysis and come up with their own druthers/vote. If only "the will of the ((majority of the)) people" were actually implemented, instead of the will of the majority of fund raised dollars.

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Matthew Ellard wrote:Hey Jo 753, I might owe you an apology.......but did you vote for trump and then change your view after he was elected?


I'm sure youre joking. I'v been bizzy with RL stuff for a few months, going into work overload mode several timez, but I hav the impression youv partisipated in the conversationz. Maybe you just dont pay much attention to my mindless mispelled ramblingz.

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xouper wrote:And not so great for those Americans who wanted to keep their doctor, as promised by Obama, but that promise was broken by the ACA.

And not so great for those Americans who wanted to keep their previous healthcare plan, as promised by Obama, but that promise was broken by the ACA.

And not so great for those Americans whose healthcare insurance premiums doubled under the ACA, contrary to what Obama promised. Or for anyone else whose premiums went up significantly instead of down, as promised.


Hey! Welkum bak, xoup!

Haz anybody run a projection on wut the costs and premiumz woud be now if Obamacare had never existed? Az I recall, the yearly increase rate wuz alwayz several timez greater than the inflation rate.

And the suppozed 'broken promis' uv keeping your polisy coud not reazonably include the outrite junk many insurans companyz liked to issue befor Obamacare.
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TJrandom wrote:The ACA didn`t cause anyone to lose insurance. Nor did it cause any doctor to turn away a patient; doctors who did that, did it on their own. Nor did premiums double under the ACA on a coverage for coverage basis. But I do agree that insurance causes healthy people to pay for sick people - just as property taxes cause childless people to pay for the education of those with children (where that is the use of property taxes). All part of living in a great and caring society. Very similar to paying for the military thru taxation when the military is there to protect the interests of the oligarchs. The very nature of insurance and taxes.


Apparently we do not agree on many of those points. I stand by my previous assertions.

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JO 753 wrote:
xouper wrote:And not so great for those Americans who wanted to keep their doctor, as promised by Obama, but that promise was broken by the ACA.

And not so great for those Americans who wanted to keep their previous healthcare plan, as promised by Obama, but that promise was broken by the ACA.

And not so great for those Americans whose healthcare insurance premiums doubled under the ACA, contrary to what Obama promised. Or for anyone else whose premiums went up significantly instead of down, as promised.


Hey! Welkum bak, xoup!

Haz anybody run a projection on wut the costs and premiumz woud be now if Obamacare had never existed? Az I recall, the yearly increase rate wuz alwayz several timez greater than the inflation rate.

And the suppozed 'broken promis' uv keeping your polisy coud not reazonably include the outrite junk many insurans companyz liked to issue befor Obamacare.


Feel free to spin it any direction you want. I stand by my assertions as being factually correct.

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Its not spin, just facts.

You coud get insurans back then that woud cover very little. The polisyz woud be loaded up with exeptionz, conditionz, co-payz, deductablez, etc to the point uv worthlessness, so you'd be literally giving them your money for nothing.

Sins Obamacare wuz enacted, or really, wile it wuz being 'crafted', the GoPs and the insurans companyz made sure they coud still get away with sum uv the same rip offs.
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JO 753 wrote:You coud get insurans back then that woud cover very little. The polisyz woud be loaded up with exeptionz, conditionz, co-payz, deductablez, etc to the point uv worthlessness, so you'd be literally giving them your money for nothing.


So what. If that's what some people wanted to buy then that's their business, not yours and not the government's.

In a free society, people should be allowed to buy the level of insurance coverage they want to pay for and not for coverage they don't need.

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Do you also think unregulated loan scams are OK, xouper? :(
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Postby xouper » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:36 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Do you also think unregulated loan scams are OK, xouper? :(


No.

One of the legitimate functions of government is to protect people from fraud.

Why do you ask?

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scrmbldggs wrote:Do you also think unregulated loan scams are OK, xouper? :(


No.

One of the legitimate functions of government is to protect people from fraud.

Why do you ask?

Thanks. I ask because insurance fraud is not only committed by consumers and/or unscrupulous medical providers, but apparently also by insurances through their contracts. Granted, there are enough people who didn't pay attention or who misunderstood. But what good is an insurance that is often not willing/liable to provide the purchased coverage? I liken it to the abuse of legal-ish tax loopholes.
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xouper wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Do you also think unregulated loan scams are OK, xouper? :(


No.

One of the legitimate functions of government is to protect people from fraud.

Why do you ask?


Thanks. I ask because insurance fraud is not only committed by consumers and/or unscrupulous medical providers, but apparently also by insurances through their contracts. Granted, there are enough people who didn't pay attention or who misunderstood. But what good is an insurance that is often not willing/liable to provide the purchased coverage? I liken it to the abuse of legal-ish tax loopholes.


I agree. One of the legitimate functions of government is to protect people from fraud. Especially those of us who are not always savvy enough to detect and avoid sophisticated fraud.

However, none of that applies to my comments about Obamacare. I have not advocated for the freedom to purchase fraudulent insurance.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:22 pm

I know many feel "violated" if laws are changed. As for me, I welcome such changes as were made for preexisting conditions and view them for the greater good. Just like I welcome laws that prohibit stealing from or harming others.
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Re: Trump promises

Postby TJrandom » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:24 pm

The broken promise was this: Get rid of Obamacare and replace it with something "terrific" that is "so much better, so much better, so much better."

This is a two part promise – repeal the ACA, AND replace it with something that is better. It was quite obvious that the Republicans were only focused on the repeal, and hadn`t a clue as to what would be better, much less `so much better`.

The broken promise would still have been broken if the repeal had passed, since it appears that they didn`t have the intent to replace it with something better.

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Re: Trump promises

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:30 pm

It would seem "better" is relative. :-P


And I sorta went off track in my last post, lol.

xouper wrote:I have not advocated for the freedom to purchase fraudulent insurance.


You said "In a free society, people should be allowed to buy the level of insurance coverage they want to pay for and not for coverage they don't need."

I didn't think that had changed? But there were repercussions, IIRC. Which in light of the now proposed ones seem minor. A sufficient lapse is gonna cost ya, bigleaguely... and would go straight to the insurances.
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