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A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:47 pm
by Tom Palven
Money is being collected for a bronze sculpture containing statues of Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea (Bradley) Manning, and an empty chair symbolizing the desire for another champion of truth and free speech to come forward.
http://rt.com/news/202631-snowden-assan ... -monument/

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:08 pm
by scrmbldggs
Which one will address the empty chair when it's unveiled, the Good, the Bad, or the Ugly?

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:03 am
by Gord
What about Marsha Coleman-Adebayo? Her whistleblowing eventually led to the passing of the No-FEAR Act.

Or Sibel Edmonds? An FBI whistleblower who's been gagged by the States Secret Privilege, and who is the founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC).

Or is it only "courageous" if you either go to prison or run away?

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:00 pm
by OlegTheBatty
Gord wrote:What about Marsha Coleman-Adebayo? Her whistleblowing eventually led to the passing of the No-FEAR Act.

Or Sibel Edmonds? An FBI whistleblower who's been gagged by the States Secret Privilege, and who is the founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC).

Or is it only "courageous" if you either go to prison or run away?

Courage is facing fear, so, if there was nothing to be afraid of, there was no courage. In other words - maybe.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:12 am
by Tom Palven
Gord wrote:What about Marsha Coleman-Adebayo? Her whistleblowing eventually led to the passing of the No-FEAR Act.

Or Sibel Edmonds? An FBI whistleblower who's been gagged by the States Secret Privilege, and who is the founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC).

Or is it only "courageous" if you either go to prison or run away?


Regarding Sibel Edmonds, she has a new book out:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/11/no_a ... sive-book/

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:06 pm
by Gord
Tom-Palven wrote:http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/11/no_author/a-very-subversive-book/

By clayton j. bradt

This review is from: The Lone Gladio: A Novel (Kindle Edition)

...I read the book because I assumed that Sibel Edmunds was using fictitious characters and situations to tell what she knows about the truth behind the real Operation Gladio and other highly classified (and criminal) shenanigans of this country's intelligence/defense agencies. Truth that she would be surely indicted for revealing openly. My problem with the book is that I'm not always sure where the fiction leaves off and truth begins. But I have always believed Sibel. Everything she has said about her experience with the FBI has the ring of truth in it. I suppose that's how this book has to be read - listen for the ring of truth in each event and each character depicted....

Ugh, I hate fiction when people expect to find fact in it somewhere but they can't be told where.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:40 pm
by digress
Tom-Palven wrote:Money is being collected for a bronze sculpture containing statues of Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea (Bradley) Manning, and an empty chair symbolizing the desire for another champion of truth and free speech to come forward.


How about we erect a statue for people who actually fought for free speech like Thomas Paine and George Washington against an actual monarchy with an army.

Edward Snowden didn't fight for free speech. Just for clarification his "fight" was for privacy and better reflects the 4th amendment. His leak is justified because Congress had approved the NSA 15 years prior to the leak and it would have continued in secret, with secret funding, without the leak. The tragedy is knowing this person is living in Russia to avoid US. prosecution for something Congress did illegally and nobody cared during the highlight of this mess. And the NSA is still being funded, now openly, and has been merged with private telecom business' as a way to "deter corruption".

Julian Assange wasn't an American and fought to expose American secrets as a hacker, so {!#%@} him. Not impressed.

Bradley Manning is a grey case. Technically when you join the army you sign a contract saying you are now government property and sign-up is completely voluntary. But if you come across something unconstitutional I'm able to imagine the internal conflict this must have on the individual sworn into office. The act was without a doubt very brave, but I'm not sure if the leaks actually revealed unconstitutional practices. I'm not exactly familiar with what Manning leaked.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:20 pm
by Abdul Alhazred
The only one I'd call courageous is Snowden.

Chelsea Manning was a security risk blackmail victim, and Assange is the blackmailer.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:31 am
by Flash
digress wrote:
How about we erect a statue for people who actually fought for free speech like Thomas Paine and George Washington against an actual monarchy with an army.

What! More statues for George. There are mountains, lakes, states, pseudo-states, roads...etc named after the guy. You want more? How about changing the name of the entire country to Georgia or Washingtonia?

What? It would be confusing? No way. Maybe... Uhhh, who knows.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:30 am
by clarsct
Georgia was likely named after King George...The English bloke...

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:43 am
by Flash
Well, renaming the entire U.S. Georgia is OK with me as long as the numbers of the Interstate Highways remain the same so I know where I am going. ;)

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:42 am
by Tom Palven

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:31 pm
by Abdul Alhazred
Tom Palven wrote:Obama pardons Chelsea Manning:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /96678814/


So that means the taxpayers are off the hook for the gender reassignment operation. Right?

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:36 am
by Flash
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
So that means the taxpayers are off the hook for the gender reassignment operation. Right?

Yeap, Now it's going to be a garage operation; a cleaver, a chopping block and the supper absorbent paper towels to stop the bleeding.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:07 am
by scrmbldggs
And the half digested supper, I presume. :-P

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:03 pm
by Gord
Tom Palven wrote:Obama pardons Chelsea Manning:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /96678814/

It's not a pardon, it's a commutation.

Manning was sentenced to 35 years in prison, the longest sentence for a leak in U.S. history. White House officials stressed that Manning took responsibility for her actions and received an excessive sentence. A pardon exonerates the person and erases the conviction; a commutation leaves the conviction in place, but reduces the sentence. The conviction stays on her record.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:10 pm
by Gawdzilla Sama
We already have a few such monuments.

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Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:56 am
by Tom Palven
Sweden has dropped rape charges against Julian Assange:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/julian-assa ... ks-sweden/

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:51 pm
by Abdul Alhazred
I never believed the rape charges, modulo that I'm not familiar enough with Swedish law to know exactly what they mean by rape.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:15 pm
by Gord
Tom Palven wrote:Sweden has dropped rape charges against Julian Assange:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/julian-assa ... ks-sweden/

...He nonetheless called Sweden's decision to drop the rape investigation "an important victory for me and for the U.N. human rights system."

Assange has been holed up at Ecuador's embassy in London to avoid extradition to answer questions about sex-crime allegations from two women....

Because rape isn't a concern of the U.N. human rights system?

The more this guy says, the more I dislike him.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:37 am
by Flash
Assange was never charged with rape. The {!#%@} Swedes only said that he was being investigated with regard to the possibility of rape. In other words; it's a case of legal maneuvering and BS.

However, the two women involved never wanted to charge him with rape because the sex they were involved in was consensual.

The two original charges that were dropped in April of 2017 were; sexual molestation and unlawful coercion and had to do with the fact that the Assange either did not wear a condom or that the condom was broken during sex.

In addition, one of the women now wants nothing to do with the case and told that crazy Swedish prosecutor Marianne Ny that she will not testify against Assange.

Of course, everybody knows that deus ex machina behind all of this is the Evil Empire. The big ass kissers of the Empire are just doing their {!#%@} duty. Getting the guy for the Empire using all kinds of legal pretenses.

Even the UN Tribunal for Human Rights said so by declaring that what Britain and Sweden are doing is illegal and arbitrary and is violation of Assange's human, civil and political rights.

Sweden has a long history of servitude and ass kissing. When the Nazis were still winning the WWII they would supply the Nazi Germany with ball bearings and steel and probably send them Christmas cards congratulating them on their great victory at Stalingrad.

Britain is fairly new at it but what can you say, the talent is all there.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:59 am
by Tom Palven
Aussie Julian Assange has been granted Ecuadoran citizenship:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wiki ... or-n836816

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:07 pm
by Abdul Alhazred
Does that mean he's now "Hispanic"? :pr:

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:59 pm
by Gawdzilla Sama
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Does that mean he's now "Hispanic"? :pr:

No, but his girlfriend is officially an anchor booby.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:08 am
by Matthew Ellard
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Does that mean he's now "Hispanic"? :pr:


No it means Julian Assange can no longer become an Australian senator ( You can't have dual citizenship) and has ended his aims at entering Australian politics. As he is no longer in control of Wikileaks I imagine he will quickly disappear from the world stage .

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:38 am
by TJrandom
Emelia...

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:14 am
by Matthew Ellard
Tom Palven wrote:Money is being collected for a bronze sculpture containing statues of Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea (Bradley) Manning,


2017
"Julian Assange insists, against all evidence, that the hacked Democratic emails WikiLeaks published didn't come from Russian intelligence services. “Our source is not the Russian government,” he said in a Tuesday interview with Fox News’s Sean Hannity."

2018
"Mr Papadopoulos informed Alexander Downer, in May 2016, that Russia was shopping dirt on Hillary Clinton to her political rivals. When leaked Democratic Party emails began appearing in Wikileaks two months later, Australian officials passed on the Downer intel to American counterparts, helping to trigger the FBI probe into Russian interference in the US election."

Why are you making a statue of Julian Assange again? :lol:
Assange.jpg

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:40 pm
by Abdul Alhazred
I take it all back.

New narrative: Assange showed courage and saved us from Hillary :mrgreen:

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:07 am
by TJrandom
Abdul Alhazred wrote:I take it all back.

New narrative: Assange showed courage and saved us from Hillary :mrgreen:


But not Trump... bummer.

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:14 pm
by Aztexan
Leave that to Robert Mueller. Or the 25th amendment. or the 2nd amendment. tee hee

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:57 pm
by scrmbldggs
TJrandom wrote:Emelia...

Is that Japanese for 'Amen'?

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:41 pm
by TJrandom
Earhart! Sniffle sniffle... sort`a like imbedding to hide an illness.

(... those photos were proven to be irrelevant.)

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:49 pm
by scrmbldggs

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:59 pm
by TJrandom
Those don`t look like Emelia to me...

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:56 pm
by scrmbldggs
Probably 'cause it's Amelia. :-P

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:59 pm
by TJrandom
scrmbldggs wrote:Probably 'cause it's Amelia. :-P


Its those missing A`s ... bummer, brein demege egein.... :oops:

Re: A Monument to Courage is Being Planned

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:53 pm
by Tom Palven
Chelsea Manning and politics as usual according to Glenn Greenwald:
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/cen ... -in-power/