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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:32 pm

Aztexan wrote:Is it considered sexist if I say we need a female president? I think the most qualified person should get the job

So do I.

and there are certainly a good number of potential female candidates who could potentially be good presidents but is it wrong to just say that right now, the Democratic party shouldn't even consider a man as their 2020 choice?

I think it would seems rather weird if all their future candidates would be female. :-P
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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby Aztexan » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:36 pm

But we're so dumb. It's bad enough y'all screw us and marry us but aren't y'all tired of voting for us?
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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:39 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:I would like to see the Democrats wipe the slate clean and put forward four or five good new people, now, to let them grow on people before 2020.

Thats very insightful. Is either party "organized" enough to actually have a plan to do anything?
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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:59 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Thats very insightful. Is either party "organized" enough to actually have a plan to do anything?
Your USA political parties are very different to ours. We don't have primaries. In elections, we vote for the party and not the individual candidate. The party chooses the prime minister.

However, this didn't do much good down here anyway. Our Labor (Socialist) party had internal secret votes and our Labor prime minister was swapped two times, between two people, in a row, for absolutely no sensible reason. The voters got sick of this and threw out Labor for the Liberal Party. Now they are having secret internal votes.
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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby Poodle » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:11 pm

Sod everything. Just be responsible and elect someone who isn't Donald Trump. It's not difficult - you now know where you went wrong.
(NOTE: the assumption is that you won't be so silly as to elect a DT follow-up act. You couldn't. You COULDN'T. TELL ME YOU COULDN'T!).
(And don't give me bull about 'this is about a Dem nomination'. This is the world speaking. It's going to be Dem - just make sure it's also sensible).
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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby OlegTheBatty » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:36 pm

You can give up on the 'best person for the job' nonsense. Anyone who would qualify for 'best person for the job' wouldn't touch it with a Wehrmacht.

ps: Yes, I know that is the No True 'best person for the job' fallacy, but I don't care.
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Postby Aztexan » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:38 pm

I apologize for the inconvenience but all submissions by foreign citizens for requests/ideas for improvements to American political and civil culture must be written in crayon.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:49 pm

Aztexan wrote:.... all submissions by foreign citizens for requests/ideas for improvements to American political and civil culture must be written in crayon.
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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby Nikki Nyx » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:15 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:AFAIK, Warner (yes, he's currently the wealthiest Senator) is a truly self-made man, who also voted against the tax cut for the rich that would have benefited him personally. (And so far, he seems to value his family above that formerly prestigious office. He seems to be a principled and decent man.)
He's got some conflicting viewpoints...voting yes on protecting ocean and inland ecosystems while simultaneously supporting offshore drilling and coal. He talks about gun control, but voted against banning high-capacity magazines. And he takes some weird moral positions, like favoring the death penalty but believing that internet porn is a problem that needs to be "fought."

Not that he doesn't have good qualities, but the conflicting viewpoints appear to speak, not to an ethical stance, but making decisions based on financial advantages for Virginia and maintaining personal power. You can't claim to be an environmentalist if you support offshore drilling and coal. You can't claim to be in favor of gun control, then vote against a gun control bill. It's stuff like this that I find disturbing.
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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby Nikki Nyx » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:19 pm

Aztexan wrote:Is it considered sexist if I say we need a female president? I think the most qualified person should get the job and there are certainly a good number of potential female candidates who could potentially be good presidents but is it wrong to just say that right now, the Democratic party shouldn't even consider a man as their 2020 choice?
I consider myself a feminist, and I would say we need the most qualified person, regardless of gender, race, etc. There's no point running a female candidate who's either unqualified (Palin comes to mind) or just a poor choice to attract voters (like Hillary), just for the sake of running a female candidate.

Honestly, I'd like to see the ticket be a man and a woman, with either one being at the top of the ticket, depending on qualifications.
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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby Aztexan » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:35 pm

Nikki Nyx wrote:
Aztexan wrote:Is it considered sexist if I say we need a female president? I think the most qualified person should get the job and there are certainly a good number of potential female candidates who could potentially be good presidents but is it wrong to just say that right now, the Democratic party shouldn't even consider a man as their 2020 choice?
I consider myself a feminist, and I would say we need the most qualified person, regardless of gender, race, etc. There's no point running a female candidate who's either unqualified (Palin comes to mind) or just a poor choice to attract voters (like Hillary), just for the sake of running a female candidate.

Honestly, I'd like to see the ticket be a man and a woman, with either one being at the top of the ticket, depending on qualifications.



I agree. I was just asking. It's just the tired, old recipes that call for rich old white dudes club kind of fits the definition of insanity.
And I don't think just being female automatically qualifies you, your example of Palin is a good one. In my opinion, republican christian women are forced to wear a burqa of the mind, in many ways. Kellyanne Conway, that Huckabee-Sanders propagandist, to name a couple.

Hell, at this point, Watson or Sophie, that smartass AI bot are good candidates for the 2020 run.
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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:01 am

Aztexan wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote:
Aztexan wrote:Is it considered sexist if I say we need a female president? I think the most qualified person should get the job and there are certainly a good number of potential female candidates who could potentially be good presidents but is it wrong to just say that right now, the Democratic party shouldn't even consider a man as their 2020 choice?
I consider myself a feminist, and I would say we need the most qualified person, regardless of gender, race, etc. There's no point running a female candidate who's either unqualified (Palin comes to mind) or just a poor choice to attract voters (like Hillary), just for the sake of running a female candidate.

Honestly, I'd like to see the ticket be a man and a woman, with either one being at the top of the ticket, depending on qualifications.
I agree. I was just asking. It's just the tired, old recipes that call for rich old white dudes club kind of fits the definition of insanity.
Well said! At the same time, anyone except a white dude would require also holding both houses of Congress, or nothing would get done because of knee-jerk bigotry.

Aztexan wrote:And I don't think just being female automatically qualifies you, your example of Palin is a good one. In my opinion, republican christian women are forced to wear a burqa of the mind, in many ways. Kellyanne Conway, that Huckabee-Sanders propagandist, to name a couple.
Also well said! You have a unique way with words, Az. It boggles the mind that there are female, non-white, and/or non-heterosexual Republicans in 2018. I don't get it at all. Self-hatred? Or stupidity?

Aztexan wrote:Hell, at this point, Watson or Sophie, that smartass AI bot are good candidates for the 2020 run.
Yeah, the bar is subterranean at this point. :P
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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby ElectricMonk » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:03 am

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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Postby ElectricMonk » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:36 pm

The Porter case in the White House, now one of the longer-lasting Trump scandals, shows a glimpse into the current US mood: a large portion of the electorate is more concerned with a wife-beater being close to the president than the security implications.
In the last Election, Democrats tried to avoid a Woman vs. Man campaign. In 2020, they should make sure that they do.
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Postby Poodle » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:41 pm

Rachel Maddow would be a shoo-in. Just get her to stop saying 'freaking' and you have a winner.

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:11 pm

Poodle wrote:Rachel Maddow would be a shoo-in. Just get her to stop saying 'freaking' and you have a winner.
I'm not sure she'd be able to morph her "WTF?" smile into a regular smile, though. ;)
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Postby Poodle » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:41 pm

For the past year or so, I've been given the distinct impression that WTF? has become the norm in US politics (not that the UK is exactly immune from those moments). But then I don't really understand US politics and the (seemingly apparent to me) stuff the Trump, Trumpets and Trumpettes are getting away with. Sorry about the preposition at the end of a sentence.
EDIT - Of course, I'm assuming that she's a Democrat. I could be reading that wrong too.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:28 pm

WTF? has, apparently, always been the norm in US politics. This may not be a popular opinion, but when every single citizen, regardless of intelligence, has the right to vote, the result will always be bread & circuses. People who don't think critically vote based on their emotions, their gullibility to propaganda, and whether the candidate shares their world view, however skewed it might be. They don't vote based on the candidate's voting record. Most don't even know it's possible to examine a voting record. It's eminently frustrating.
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Postby Aztexan » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:33 pm

Re: Rachel Maddow: Nevermind her political leanings, her sexual orientation alone is enough to run against by the right wingers. Like every woman since high school, then later at bars, nightclubs or dance halls that slapped me and then threw their drink in my face, she's a lesbian. And this backward country ain't ready for that.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:40 pm

I'm forced to agree with you, Az, especially in this climate of rampant sexual harassment and assault.
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Postby Poodle » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:41 pm

I didn't realise she wasn't American.

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Postby JO 753 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:18 pm

Thats kuz she iz.
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Postby Poodle » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:21 pm

Aztexan said she was from Lesbia.

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Postby ElectricMonk » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:36 pm

Well, Lisa Simpson is going to be the first straight female president, so....
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Postby JO 753 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:37 pm

O, i see. Another example uv this 'humor' that you humanz uze to distract from your inevitable deth.
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Postby Poodle » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:39 pm

Hey! It's you lot who elected Trump.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:30 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
"The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarise: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarise the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarise the summary of the summary: people are a problem."

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