Loopy links

TJrandom · Post by **TJrandom** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:06 am

We had a false earthquake alert last week - was that you?

Post by **Pyrrho** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:55 pm

Pretty sure that was an act of Gawd.

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:04 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Pretty sure that was an act of Gawd.

Aztexan · Post by **Aztexan** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:17 pm

Sorry but the end of the world will not be brought upon by a giant green monster. It will be by a fat, ugly, orange idiot.

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:13 pm

Aztexan wrote:Sorry but the end of the world will not be brought upon by a giant green monster. It will be by a fat, ugly, orange idiot.

I come to bury Terra, not to praise her.

Post by **Pyrrho** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:46 pm

Tried a test update. Failed. Oh well.

Cadmusteeth · Post by **Cadmusteeth** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:20 pm

Thanks Pyrrho.
Sorry for the late recognition.

Nikki Nyx · Post by **Nikki Nyx** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:18 am

Pyrrho wrote:I should rename it as "Unhelp Desk" or "Helpless Desk".

Or "Help! Desk," then just fill it with videos of the Beatles.

The "Stuff Gord doesn't get" thread is also loopy, I just noticed.

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:23 am

Nikki Nyx wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:I should rename it as "Unhelp Desk" or "Helpless Desk".
Or "Help! Desk," then just fill it with videos of the Beatles.

The "Stuff Gord doesn't get" thread is also loopy, I just noticed.

♫Help if you can,
I'm posting crap,
And I do believe it's
gorgeous but it's not.♫

Aztexan · Post by **Aztexan** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:11 am

Would you believe gorgeous isn't
The craziest member
Here anymore?
:singnew:

Nikki Nyx · Post by **Nikki Nyx** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:10 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:I should rename it as "Unhelp Desk" or "Helpless Desk".
Or "Help! Desk," then just fill it with videos of the Beatles.

The "Stuff Gord doesn't get" thread is also loopy, I just noticed.

♫Help if you can,
I'm posting crap,
And I do believe it's
gorgeous but it's not.♫

Speaking of the devil, we haven't seen him/her/it for a few days now. I miss those scintillatingly intellectual posts...like, "Wrong." :lol:

♫When I was younger, so much younger than today
The internet did not exist; we went outside to play
But now those days are gone; my pastimes have matured
And now I find, my links are twined; they open the wrong doors

Help me 'cause my links are falling down
And I do believe I'm having a breakdown
Help me fix my favorite playground
Won't you please, please help me?♫

Gord · Post by **Gord** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:45 pm

Nikki Nyx wrote: Speaking of the devil, we haven't seen him/her/it for a few days now. I miss those scintillatingly intellectual posts...like, "Wrong."

Who?

Nikki Nyx · Post by **Nikki Nyx** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:56 pm

Gord wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote: Speaking of the devil, we haven't seen him/her/it for a few days now. I miss those scintillatingly intellectual posts...like, "Wrong."

Who?

I don't dare mention its name, except by misdirection, lest it appear and begin spewing the "wisdom" of Seth.

Gord · Post by **Gord** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:58 pm

Nikki Nyx wrote:
Gord wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote: Speaking of the devil, we haven't seen him/her/it for a few days now. I miss those scintillatingly intellectual posts...like, "Wrong."

Who?

I don't dare mention its name, except by misdirection, lest it appear and begin spewing the "wisdom" of Seth.

Oh, that guy!

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:01 pm

If you've ever cleaned a horse's hoof it would be hard to forget him.

Nikki Nyx · Post by **Nikki Nyx** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:02 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:If you've ever cleaned a horse's hoof it would be hard to forget him.

Not much point in cleaning that particular horse's hoof, since it insists on continuing to step in its own excrement.

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:59 pm

Nikki Nyx wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:If you've ever cleaned a horse's hoof it would be hard to forget him.
Not much point in cleaning that particular horse's hoof, since it insists on continuing to step in its own excrement.

...before it's actually excreted.

Nikki Nyx · Post by **Nikki Nyx** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:46 am

Io · Post by Io » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:18 am

I realise that the topic of this thread is no longer about this thread's topic, but perhaps the issue is related the the forum code not counting deleted or ignored posts when working out where to jump to? I just did a thanks to Nikki in the whatcha listenin to thread and after clicking it took me to several pages back in the thread instead of the entry I thanked.

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:37 am

We're all praying Pyrrho will find an answer.

Post by **Pyrrho** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:48 am

Io wrote:I realise that the topic of this thread is no longer about this thread's topic, but perhaps the issue is related the the forum code not counting deleted or ignored posts when working out where to jump to? I just did a thanks to Nikki in the whatcha listenin to thread and after clicking it took me to several pages back in the thread instead of the entry I thanked.

That is very likely. What it does is to set a URL that is linked to an "ID." Each post has a number and an identical ID.

For example, Gawd's post above has this URL, with ID anchor:

Code: Select all

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=629423#p629423

It's possible that what you hypothesize is correct: the ID anchor might remain in the link even if the destination element ID is gone. Often, folks use what is called "soft delete" which doesn't delete the post entirely--only hides it from everyone except administrators by wrapping it in a DIV element not unlike how the ignore system works. In that case the post and it's ID still exists on the page and the URL will correctly link to it and the page will jump to it. You just can't see it. Yeah, we have ghost posts. Maybe I can try moving the ghost posts but nobody likes that...

I'll have to do some testing to verify that. Unfortunately there's probably nothing I could do to fix it.

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:07 pm

That's it! Prayer works!

Io · Post by Io » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:14 pm

Hmm. In that scenario I'd imagine that the system would work. If, even though the entry is "deleted" or "gone" through ignoring it's still being rendered to the html (I haven't inspected the generated html so I don't know if this really is the case) then the links should work ok. Only if the number of entries per page differs from one page to another due to deletions or ignores would this problem occur (if this is really a cause of it). I'd have thought that the php code would either not select deleted/hidden entries in the requested page (so no hidden entry) or would select them regardless, hide the entry but still have it count towards 1 of X entries per page (and risk whole pages of apparently no entries).

So I'm guessing you're saying that this issue should occur only when a post is genuinely deleted?

scrmbldggs · Post by **scrmbldggs** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:36 pm

But why primarily (only?) in the Nexus? (Or is it in 'Community' in general? I experience quantum jumps in the Gear Grinder and Listening To threads, not sure about others...)

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:44 pm

I get "one short" links all the time all over this forum.

Test Dummy · Post by **Test Dummy** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:09 am

Any Short Snorters?

Test Dummy · Post by **Test Dummy** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:09 am

> Testing

Post by **Pyrrho** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:09 am

Io wrote:Hmm. In that scenario I'd imagine that the system would work. If, even though the entry is "deleted" or "gone" through ignoring it's still being rendered to the html (I haven't inspected the generated html so I don't know if this really is the case) then the links should work ok. Only if the number of entries per page differs from one page to another due to deletions or ignores would this problem occur (if this is really a cause of it). I'd have thought that the php code would either not select deleted/hidden entries in the requested page (so no hidden entry) or would select them regardless, hide the entry but still have it count towards 1 of X entries per page (and risk whole pages of apparently no entries).

So I'm guessing you're saying that this issue should occur only when a post is genuinely deleted?

I haven't examined things in detail yet.

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:16 am

Pyrrho wrote:
Io wrote:Hmm. In that scenario I'd imagine that the system would work. If, even though the entry is "deleted" or "gone" through ignoring it's still being rendered to the html (I haven't inspected the generated html so I don't know if this really is the case) then the links should work ok. Only if the number of entries per page differs from one page to another due to deletions or ignores would this problem occur (if this is really a cause of it). I'd have thought that the php code would either not select deleted/hidden entries in the requested page (so no hidden entry) or would select them regardless, hide the entry but still have it count towards 1 of X entries per page (and risk whole pages of apparently no entries).

So I'm guessing you're saying that this issue should occur only when a post is genuinely deleted?

I haven't examined things in detail yet.

Io · Post by Io » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:38 am

Pyrrho wrote:I haven't examined things in detail yet.

Not bad. That's on my list of excuses for not having fixed a bug, although it's quite far down. My favourites involve quantum fluctuations or gamma ray bursts flipping bits on the server.

"I'm afraid we haven't been able to address the problem yet as there has been an unusual number of neutrinos detected in the vicinity."

Post by **Pyrrho** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:48 am

Oh we got quarks over here, totally grok your issue there.

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:21 am

Pyrrho wrote:Oh we got quarks over here, totally grok your issue there.

I'm sure you've noticed that the speculatives exceed the estimatables.

TJrandom · Post by **TJrandom** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:46 am

We should be careful on fixing this quirk… Wouldn`t want the forum to become ho-hum normal and without character, or anything like that. Then if we wanted to complain, we`d only have the trolls, the misguided, religious nutters, conspiracy believers, and a few who are all of these. :roll:

Post by **Pyrrho** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:09 am

I've called in some consultants to fix the glitch.

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:14 am

Who you callin' "loopy"?

scrmbldggs · Post by **scrmbldggs** » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:25 pm

TJrandom wrote:We should be careful on fixing this quirk…

You heard the man, he said quark :roll:

Post by **Pyrrho** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:11 am

Quark did pretty well, back in the day.

scrmbldggs · Post by **scrmbldggs** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:42 am

No cottage cheese there. :-P