The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

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Re: The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Mon May 29, 2017 11:08 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Historian here. Yes, the world is always {!#%@} up according to some of the people who lived at that time. But it still spins on.


Thanks. Good to hear from a specialist that my guess is correct. (I do some history myself, but not general or political history.)
"Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other...The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manner and of morals, engendered in both...No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

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Re: The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

Postby fromthehills » Mon May 29, 2017 12:12 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Historian here. Yes, the world is always {!#%@} up according to some of the people who lived at that time. But it still spins on.


Thanks. Good to hear from a specialist that my guess is correct. (I do some history myself, but not general or political history.)


I've tried to make history, but that's been rough on the body.

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Re: The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Mon May 29, 2017 3:06 pm

fromthehills wrote:
I've tried to make history, but that's been rough on the body.

:lol:
"Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other...The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manner and of morals, engendered in both...No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

James Madison, 20 April 1795

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Re: The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue May 30, 2017 1:05 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Yes, the world is always {!#%@} up according to some of the people who lived at that time. But it still spins on.


I belong to the same school of thinking as Gawdzilla. It is like King Canute sitting on the beach and unable to stop the tide coming in.

Humans are always going to get themselves into trouble and therefore good people have to always push back against this trouble. It never ends.
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Re: The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Tue May 30, 2017 2:45 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Yes, the world is always {!#%@} up according to some of the people who lived at that time. But it still spins on.


I belong to the same school of thinking as Gawdzilla. It is like King Canute sitting on the beach and unable to stop the tide coming in.

Humans are always going to get themselves into trouble and therefore good people have to always push back against this trouble. It never ends.
king-canute.jpg



That makes three or four of us. By the way, King Canute's demonstration of his impotence is a good metaphor for Trump's current situation. The difference is, Canute knew he couldn't keep the tide out. Trump has courtiers to tell him his feet are always dry. And he believes them.
"Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other...The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manner and of morals, engendered in both...No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

James Madison, 20 April 1795


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