The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

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Re: The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Mon May 29, 2017 11:08 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Historian here. Yes, the world is always {!#%@} up according to some of the people who lived at that time. But it still spins on.


Thanks. Good to hear from a specialist that my guess is correct. (I do some history myself, but not general or political history.)
"Still, doubts gnawed at everyone. And under no circumstances could I acknowledge my own similar doubts. In order to coax the participants into psychic stability, I had to appear to be rock-solidly convinced of the necessity of carrying out this horrifyingly cruel command."

Rudolf Höß, hanged facing Auschwitz, the camp he commanded, in April 1947. He admitted to 1.1 to 1.5 million murders carried out under his command. Eichmann told him the number was 2.5 million.

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Re: The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

Postby fromthehills » Mon May 29, 2017 12:12 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Historian here. Yes, the world is always {!#%@} up according to some of the people who lived at that time. But it still spins on.


Thanks. Good to hear from a specialist that my guess is correct. (I do some history myself, but not general or political history.)


I've tried to make history, but that's been rough on the body.

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Re: The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Mon May 29, 2017 3:06 pm

fromthehills wrote:
I've tried to make history, but that's been rough on the body.

:lol:
"Still, doubts gnawed at everyone. And under no circumstances could I acknowledge my own similar doubts. In order to coax the participants into psychic stability, I had to appear to be rock-solidly convinced of the necessity of carrying out this horrifyingly cruel command."

Rudolf Höß, hanged facing Auschwitz, the camp he commanded, in April 1947. He admitted to 1.1 to 1.5 million murders carried out under his command. Eichmann told him the number was 2.5 million.

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Re: The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue May 30, 2017 1:05 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Yes, the world is always {!#%@} up according to some of the people who lived at that time. But it still spins on.


I belong to the same school of thinking as Gawdzilla. It is like King Canute sitting on the beach and unable to stop the tide coming in.

Humans are always going to get themselves into trouble and therefore good people have to always push back against this trouble. It never ends.
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Re: The 800-pound gorilla: does the world need it?

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Tue May 30, 2017 2:45 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Yes, the world is always {!#%@} up according to some of the people who lived at that time. But it still spins on.


I belong to the same school of thinking as Gawdzilla. It is like King Canute sitting on the beach and unable to stop the tide coming in.

Humans are always going to get themselves into trouble and therefore good people have to always push back against this trouble. It never ends.
king-canute.jpg



That makes three or four of us. By the way, King Canute's demonstration of his impotence is a good metaphor for Trump's current situation. The difference is, Canute knew he couldn't keep the tide out. Trump has courtiers to tell him his feet are always dry. And he believes them.
"Still, doubts gnawed at everyone. And under no circumstances could I acknowledge my own similar doubts. In order to coax the participants into psychic stability, I had to appear to be rock-solidly convinced of the necessity of carrying out this horrifyingly cruel command."

Rudolf Höß, hanged facing Auschwitz, the camp he commanded, in April 1947. He admitted to 1.1 to 1.5 million murders carried out under his command. Eichmann told him the number was 2.5 million.


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