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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:51 pm

Two Issues ID'd:

1. USA/Media/Democrats: busy Demonizing Putin for their own nefarious reasons==totally correct.

2. USA stuck in our Longest War in Afghanistan because.............. we are the monkey with a cookie in our hand. ONE TRILLION DOLLARS: borrowed from China. Thank you BushtheRetard/Evil Cheney Cabal.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Two Issues ID'd:

1. USA/Media/Democrats: busy Demonizing Putin for their own nefarious reasons==totally correct.

2. USA stuck in our Longest War in Afghanistan because.............. we are the monkey with a cookie in our hand. ONE TRILLION DOLLARS: borrowed from China. Thank you BushtheRetard/Evil Cheney Cabal.

3. People not noticing that the media is busy Demonizing the US for their own nefarious reasons==totally correct.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:16 pm

So...you are emphasizing the deflection. I'd say same with the Kahn family outpouring of grief...12 years after the fact. I mean.... its "valid" but a bit to histrionic for my taste.
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Just pointing out everybody's outraged about something these days.
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Postby Poodle » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:06 pm

I'm outraged that everybody's outraged!

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I wasn't outraged until Poodle got outraged....... I need to lower my outrage threshold to include business as usual.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I wasn't outraged until Poodle got outraged....... I need to lower my outrage threshold to include business as usual.

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Postby Tom Palven » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:52 am

This Russia Today article calling ISIS tactics evil is almost funny as the West and Russia try to bomb or drone every emerging resistance leader in the Mid-East, killing innocent civilians in the process, and Russia is supporting a guy who dropped chemical weapons and barrel bombs on his own people.
https://www.rt.com/news/358756-sirte...-isis-tactics/

It reminds me of the Viet Cong, who didn't have an air force, being called evil in the US press for using such tactics as wood and bamboo punji sticks on us while we dropped over 7 million tons of bombs and napalm on them and innocent bystanders.
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Postby Paul Anthony » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:25 pm

The US has a foreign policy? Good to know. ;)
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Paul Anthony wrote:The US has a foreign policy? Good to know. ;)

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Re: US Foreign Policy

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Paul Anthony wrote:
The US has a foreign policy? Good to know. ;)


Not much of it and not terribly sophisticated. It's the old Kissinger/Brzezinski/Wolfowitz doctrine; anybody wants to {!#%@} with the Empire, the Empire must panama and noriega them immediately.

However, as the fifteen year long war in Afghanistan shows it doesn't always work 100% or even 50%, or even 5%. But it does wonders for the investments in the Thales Group, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and Boeing.
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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:43 am

usa policy - destabilize oil producing areas to hold down the price of oil and population .

have to admit - usa has been doing an awesome job of destabilizing :burn:
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Postby Tom Palven » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:47 am

The Viet Cong resistance, without an air force, was able to beat France and then the US, separately; and the Taliban fended off Russia a while back.

But this time it looks the Taliban, al Qaeda, and other homeboy resistance in the Mid-East will have to take on the world's two largest superpowers at the same time in order to free themselves from foreign occupation.
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Tom Palven wrote:The Viet Cong resistance, without an air force, was able to beat France and then the US, separately; and the Taliban fended off Russia a while back.

The Viet Cong didn't beat anybody. The NVA realized this and used the Tet Offensive to decimate the local forces so the Northern army could come in and take over the fighting.
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Postby Paul Anthony » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:24 pm

psychiatry is a scam wrote:usa policy - destabilize oil producing areas to hold down the price of oil and population .

have to admit - usa has been doing an awesome job of destabilizing :burn:


Actually, there is a little more to it than oil itself. The US went to war on a few occasions to overthrow dictators who had the audacity to attempt to price oil in something other than US dollars. If enough countries abandon US "petro-dollars" the US could lose its favored status as the main reserve currency. Once that happens (and it will, eventually) the dollar will crash, the US government will no longer be able to borrow ridiculous amounts of money and the US economy will crash. Unfortunately for the entire West, a US crash will bring down many other countries. The world's economies rely on fiat currencies that have no value except what is manufactured by trust. When everyone stops trusting, it all falls down.
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Postby Flash » Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:14 pm

I will have to get to my bunker near the Hudson Bay before that happens.
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Postby Paul Anthony » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:03 pm

Flash wrote:I will have to get to my bunker near the Hudson Bay before that happens.


A bunker may be a good idea for a couple of reasons. Before the entire economy of the western world collapses, expect WWIII. It will be the only measure left to save governments (or destroy them, depending on who wins). The war effort will be used as excuses for martial law and food shortages. Better stock that bunker while you can. ;)
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Flash wrote:I will have to get to my bunker near the Hudson Bay before that happens.


A bunker may be a good idea for a couple of reasons. Before the entire economy of the western world collapses, expect WWIII. It will be the only measure left to save governments (or destroy them, depending on who wins). The war effort will be used as excuses for martial law and food shortages. Better stock that bunker while you can. ;)

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Postby Gord » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:08 am

Tom Palven wrote:This Russia Today article calling ISIS tactics evil is almost funny...

Pewdiepie kicked off Twitter for joking about joining ISIS: http://www.businessinsider.com/pewdiepi ... sis-2016-8

After he was "outed" by a fake news Twitter account:

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Paul Anthony wrote;
A bunker may be a good idea for a couple of reasons. Before the entire economy of the western world collapses, expect WWIII. It will be the only measure left to save governments (or destroy them, depending on who wins). The war effort will be used as excuses for martial law and food shortages. Better stock that bunker while you can. ;)

I've got a list of supplies; ramen noodles, scotch, remen noodles, vodka, ramen noodles, cognac, ramen noodles, wine, more ramen noodles, more booze... gee, what else?
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Postby TJrandom » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:41 am

What - no guns? No ammo? No seeds? No drugs? No spare shoes? No tools? No shinny beads?

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What - no guns? No ammo? No seeds? No drugs? No spare shoes? No tools? No shinny beads?

Shiny beads? To buy an island from the Eskimos and start building skyscrapers?
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Survivalists predict that food, sex, medicine, clothes - etc., will all be traded for bullets - .357, 9mm, etc. So shiny beads might get you some gum?

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Postby ElectricMonk » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:14 am

I think the bullet / supply exchange rate is:

One bullet to the head for all your supplies
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Postby TJrandom » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:22 am

It wouldn`t be my supplies I would be worried about....

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Postby Tom Palven » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:48 am

Flash wrote:Paul Anthony wrote:
The US has a foreign policy? Good to know. ;)


Not much of it and not terribly sophisticated. It's the old Kissinger/Brzezinski/Wolfowitz doctrine; anybody wants to {!#%@} with the Empire, the Empire must panama and noriega them immediately.

However, as the fifteen year long war in Afghanistan shows it doesn't always work 100% or even 50%, or even 5%. But it does wonders for the investments in the Thales Group, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and Boeing.


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Postby Flash » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:55 am

Well, the US foreign policy took a back seat for a while. Kerry has disappeared from the TV screens. All of the Obama regime people are worried about unemployment. But as soon as Trump discovers that there are more countries on the planet than just the USA, Canuckistan and that other one behind the wall the game will start again.
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Flash wrote:Well, the US foreign policy took a back seat for a while. Kerry has disappeared from the TV screens. All of the Obama regime people are worried about unemployment. But as soon as Trump discovers that there are more countries on the planet than just the USA, Canuckistan and that other one behind the wall the game will start again.


Your alleged Yogi Berra quote is a chuckler.

I'm thinkin' that half the witticisms attributed to Mark Twain came from someone else, and that half the nonwitticisms (anti-witticisms?) attributed to Yogi Berra weren't his, either.

But no matter, those attributions are a proud tradition. :D
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Postby psychiatry is a scam » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:42 am

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Tom Palven wrote:The Viet Cong resistance, without an air force, was able to beat France and then the US, separately; and the Taliban fended off Russia a while back.

The Viet Cong didn't beat anybody. The NVA realized this and used the Tet Offensive to decimate the local forces so the Northern army could come in and take over the fighting.


found sites that say the tet offensive was a military failure , vc forces were destroyed , only nva left .

cant find anything that says the nva wanted the vc to be destroyed .

any site link for that idea ?
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:26 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:found sites that say the tet offensive was a military failure , vc forces were destroyed , only nva left .
The Viet Cong insurgents did not take the key points that were intended to be taken. However the Sth Vietnamese Army and USA was demoralised and thus the North Vietnamese Army was able to make significant advances south and incorporate Viet Cong units into the regular army as it advanced.

The North Vietnamese army high command did not expect to win against South Vietnam until 1979 and was stockpiling resources for conventional battles with the South. It had to modify its plans to take early advantage of the demoralised south. The NVA continued to stockpile resources in fear the USA would return. China was unaware of this and attacked Vietnam in 1977. Vietnam kicked China's arse back to China and China has never been involved in a conventional battle since.

The best books on this are by North Vietnamese generals. One of my personal heroes is General Giap. He not only beat the Sth Vietnamese, then China, but also Cambodia, who was supported by the Chinese. General Giap is a brilliant general and Western military academies should have invited him to lecture on tactics.

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I agree with Matthew.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:19 am

I think the Vietnam war ended in a way that was the least damaging to all parties.

Imagine if the war had continued to the late 1970s and imagine if the NVA with its increasing stockpile of Russian equipment, did have large conventional battles with USA and SVA forces. They would have been awfully big and bloody battles.

I am now thinking through my history and wondering if the USA actually had large conventional land warfare battles with the Japanese in WWII? It was pretty well all Island hopping wasn't it? The Japs never had a decent tank. However the USA did have large conventional battles against the Nth Koreans in the Korean War, (who had Russian tanks) so I guess that would be the "last battle benchmark" that would guide a conventional battle against the NVA army by the USA.

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Matthew Ellard wrote:I think the Vietnam war ended in a way that was the least damaging to all parties.

Imagine if the war had continued to the late 1970s and imagine if the NVA with its increasing stockpile of Russian equipment, did have large conventional battles with USA and SVA forces. They would have been awfully big and bloody battles.

I am now thinking through my history and wondering if the USA actually had large conventional land warfare battles with the Japanese in WWII? It was pretty well all Island hopping wasn't it? The Japs never had a decent tank. However the USA did have large conventional battles against the Nth Koreans in the Korean War, (who had Russian tanks) so I guess that would be the "last battle benchmark" that would guide a conventional battle against the NVA army by the USA.

Okinawa, Saipan, off the top of my head.
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Operation Downfall would have been the end of Japanese society.
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Postby Tom Palven » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:31 pm

In his earlier days Trump sounded something like a peacenik, and even more recently he's made noises about détente with Russia and US withdrawal from the Mid-East.

Machiavelli said "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

Is it possible that Trump's appointments of alleged warmongers Gen. Michael Flynn to National Security advisor and Gen. James Mattis to Defense Secretary, and another General, John Kelly, to Director of Homeland Security, is a conscious effort to neutralize neocon warmongers?
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Re: US Foreign Policy

Postby Tom Palven » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:22 am

Uncle Sam has already spent over $ 2 Trillion on the Iraq and Afghan wars and is still persona non grata in the Mid-East according to Ron Paul:
http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2017/0 ... eace-plan/
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Postby Monster » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:41 pm

Tom Palven wrote:Uncle Sam has already spent over $ 2 Trillion on the Iraq and Afghan wars and is still persona non grata in the Mid-East according to Ron Paul:
http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2017/0 ... eace-plan/

$2,000,000,000,000? I thought it was much more than that.
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