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The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:39 am

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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:01 pm

I don't.
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby TJrandom » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:27 am

Not do I... but I also don`t see any evidence that this event took place, except for the words in this article. Maybe the author should have gone looking for body parts and interviewed a few of the witnesses....

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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:09 am

Russian withdrawal from Syria- "a modicum of skepticism is warranted."
http://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/20 ... -quagmire/
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Jeff_36 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:29 pm

Tom Palven wrote:March 10, 2016
https://c4ss.org/content/43881


I give zero {!#%@}. Drone strikes are infinity preferable to actual airstrikes in that they cause way less collateral damage. Would you prefer if they had used A-10 warthogs? C130 Specter Gunships? because the death toll would have had another zero tacked on if they had done that.

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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:35 pm

Even Puff could reek havoc and she didn't have the whiz-bangs the Spectres have. I remember one time the VC claimed we were using lasers on them. Just the mini, son, just the mini.
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:43 am

Tom Palven wrote:Russian withdrawal from Syria- "a modicum of skepticism is warranted."
The appropriate Russian word is "маскировка" . (military deception as in "masking")

No one has a clue what the Russian are up to or alternatively, the last two years of western intelligence analysis has been a complete waste of resources and directed us to send cars up the wrong side street and they all have to turn back.


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4(37) By altering his arrangements and changing his plans, he keeps the enemy without definite knowledge. By shifting his camp and taking circuitous routes, he prevents the enemy from anticipating his purpose.

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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Frank Hoffman » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:37 pm

This article is from a website (c4ss.org) which "seeks to enlarge public understanding and transform public perceptions of anarchism".
I would say that we have quite enough anarchy, thank you very much.

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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:51 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:Russian withdrawal from Syria- "a modicum of skepticism is warranted."
[color=#000080]The appropriate Russian word is "маскировка" . (military deception as in "masking")
"Mastrovka" IIRC.
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:Russian withdrawal from Syria- "a modicum of skepticism is warranted."
[color=#000080]The appropriate Russian word is "маскировка" . (military deception as in "masking")
"Mastrovka" IIRC.

Nope, "maskirovka". The "ки" should have given it away.
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:07 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:March 10, 2016
https://c4ss.org/content/43881


I give zero {!#%@}. Drone strikes are infinity preferable to actual airstrikes in that they cause way less collateral damage. Would you prefer if they had used A-10 warthogs? C130 Specter Gunships? because the death toll would have had another zero tacked on if they had done that.


I would prefer that the US takes all it troops and equipment home from the Mid-East, as Ron Paul has long advocated:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/b ... plowshares
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

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Damned if we go, damned if we don't.
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:33 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Damned if we go, damned if we don't.


The policy seems to be to have it both ways:
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/03/23/us-m ... il-fields/
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:45 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Damned if we go, damned if we don't.


The policy seems to be to have it both ways:
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/03/23/us-m ... il-fields/

That's one version of events. Clearly unbiased, of course. :roll:
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:47 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Damned if we go, damned if we don't.


The policy seems to be to have it both ways:
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/03/23/us-m ... il-fields/

That's one version of events. Clearly unbiased, of course. :roll:


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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:24 pm

Opinions, yes, rants, not since grade school.
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:56 am

April 6, 2016
If al-Qaeda is a CENTCOM ally, this must be Wednesday:
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/04/05/al-q ... res-pilot/
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:44 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Damned if we go, damned if we don't.


The policy seems to be to have it both ways:
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/03/23/us-m ... il-fields/

That's one version of events. Clearly unbiased, of course. :roll:


Do you form opinions of your own based mainly on what you see and hear, or often accept opinions supplied by others, like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dguiAWrUGMM
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

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Have you stopped beating your wife?
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:51 am

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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:47 am

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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Flash » Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:20 am

Washington's decision to deploy its powerful B-52 bombers to Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar came as the U.S. military stepped up the fight against Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

Brown said the bombers would be able to deliver precision weapons and carry out a range of missions, including strategic attack, close-air support, air interdiction, and maritime operations.

Karns said the bombers would enable U.S. forces to drop one or two munitions in an area, rather than use carpet bombing.


Bringing B52s to Qatar to fight guys in sandals with kalashnikovs hiding in the bombed out basements is truly the most incredulous story yet. On a BS scale it must be near the top.

Really? B52s are to deliver precision weapons, provide close air support? Give me a break those things aren't built for the close air support. The US air force has other, cheaper, better planes for those things. They also are supposed to be used for the air interdiction (maybe) and the maritime operations? Like stopping or attacking ships? And how many ships has ISIL got? Close to zero, eh?

So what are those 52s doing sitting on a Qatar air base instead in Diego Garcia?

Oh I think I know. It must another one of those let's surround the Russians peace gestures.
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:30 am

Flash wrote: Really? B52s are to deliver precision weapons, provide close air support?
The USA didn't sign the convention and B-52s carry large volumes of guided cluster bombs, which are good at killing soft targets but hopeless in mixed civilian areas.

I would imagine the USA is anticipating large, open air ground convoys, as ISIS takes its loot and stores back to Raqqa. I would imagine the USA wants to get these guys in the open before they hit mixed civilian towns.

The USA used B-52s to drop cluster bombs on the retreating Iraqis in the 1991 Highway of Death and probably wish to replicate that tactic. Alternatively, they are publicly discussing the B-52s so as to get ISIS to retreat back into Raqqa in small groups that Russian controlled ground forces can write down.
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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:50 am

I'm a broken record, but think that this figure is worth remembering: Over 7 million tons of bombs were supplied by the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex and dropped on Indochina during the Vietnam conflict.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... ietnam_War

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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:19 am

Tom Palven wrote: Over 7 million tons of bombs were supplied by the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex and dropped on Indochina during the Vietnam conflict.
I know that. I'm not saying bombing is a good or bad thing. I'm simply identifying the facts on the ground so the right solutions to reduce deaths can be proposed. You and I are still on the same page.

I can get a bit heartless and if I can see that the immediate deaths of 10,000 today will save 100,000 over five years, then I think that is a proper solution, until someone comes up with a better plan.

I hate to say it but computer wargame modelling does produce better generals, but they gain their experience allowing entire regiments of simulated computer soldiers to be wiped out. That's probably a bad thing and probably the same poor logic that allowed WW1 to be such a disaster. "It looked sensible on paper".

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Re: The Empire Strikes Again

Postby Tom Palven » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:25 am

US powers-that-be say that increased US intervention is the answer to problems in Iraq:

http://news.antiwar.com/2016/04/11/us-d ... scalation/
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