A sense we have that many people are unaware of

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A sense we have that many people are unaware of

Postby Omniverse » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:39 am

I think we as human beings have a sense that many people are unaware of. I think our emotions allow us to sense value to give our lives value. For example, if you were in a dangerous situation and you felt fear, then you would be sensing danger. Unpleasant emotions allow us to sense that things, moments, and situations are wrong, bad, horrible, disgusting, etc. while our pleasant emotions allow us to sense that things are right, beautiful, and good. In other words, our emotions are a feeling version of value. They allow us to feel certain values whether that value be something horrific, horrible, disgusting, beautiful, or joyful. However, there are no sense organs to indicate that our emotions are a sense. Rather, we sense value through our emotions via our way of thinking.

If, for example, we had the thought that it is a beautiful day to be alive, that thought would send the emotional signal to our brains to make us feel a pleasant emotion which would allow us to sense that beautiful value we thought of. The only real value we can have in our lives is the value we sense through our emotions since it would be no different than saying that the only real colors, sounds, and smells we can have in our lives are the colors, sounds, and smells we see, hear, and smell. Colors, sounds, and smells do not exist in the physical world. Sure, there are sound waves, but the actual sound itself is a mental state since it is a state of mind where we hear something. Likewise, good and bad are also mental states (our emotions themselves) just like colors, sounds, and smells. This is my own personal definition of good and bad and it would be an absolute/objective good and bad that many people are unaware of.

Many people dismiss and deny the idea of our emotions being a feeling version of value. But I think this is true and, who knows, humanity could also be in denial when it comes to my claim that intellectual and moral based values are not real values. Sure, we can make decisions that would help us and others, but that doesn't bring our lives any real value. It can only be us feeling happiness and enjoyment through our pleasant emotions that brings our lives real good value, joy, and beauty. There are the lower emotions and then there are the higher emotions founded upon morality, intellect, and character. I do not agree the higher emotions exist. I am going to present a logical argument which reveals everything I've just said and I will explain a bit more things as well:

My Logical Argument: I am now going to present a logical argument that reveals how our emotions are a sense that gives our lives value:

1.) There are pleasant and unpleasant tastes. Taste is a sense. There is no moral and intellectual version of taste.

2.) There are pleasant and unpleasant smells. Smell is a sense. There is no moral and intellectual version of smell.

3.) There is physical pain and then there is physical pleasure. This is a physical sense. There is no moral and intellectual version of physical pain or physical pleasure.

4.) There are positive (pleasant) and negative (unpleasant) emotions.

Therefore,

Conclusion: Emotions are also a sense. There is no moral and intellectual version of emotions. Emotions are value judgments as I explain later on which means they are a feeling version of value. Since emotions are a sense and since they are a feeling version of value, then our emotions are a sense that allows us to sense values. This means there is no moral and intellectual based values or any real moral/intellectual based value judgments. Thus, it can only be our lower emotional impulse that gives our lives value and not our higher intellectual and moral impulse.

We Sense Different Forms Of Beauty And Joy: You could have two objects. One object being a flashlight and another object being a watermelon. If you smell the flashlight, you will notice that scent. That scent has an artificial quality to it. In other words, it smells like something metal or something like rubber. If you smelled the watermelon, you will notice that scent. It smells like a fruit. Our sense of smell allows us to smell different scents just like how our positive emotions allow us to feel different things. In other words, positive emotions are like the sense of smell. When we feel a positive emotion from looking at a flashlight, we are sensing the beauty of that flashlight.

That beauty will take on an artificial quality. So, the positive emotion you feel from that flashlight will feel like something metal or something like rubber, but, this time, in a beautiful and joyful way since positive emotions are what allow us to sense beauty and joy. This positive emotion will create an entire mental atmosphere for you that is beautiful and joyful. The same idea applies to feeling a positive emotion from the watermelon. That would create a joyful and beautiful atmosphere for you that is tropical. Therefore, not only are our emotions a sense, but they create our entire atmosphere for us.

Emotions Are Value Judgments: Haven't you ever heard someone say to not listen to what your emotions tell you? Emotions tell you that certain things, people, or situations are disgusting, horrible, or beautiful. Furthermore, haven't you ever felt that someone in your life was a horrible or beautiful person? See, this is what I mean here when I say that emotions really are value judgments. Many people would deny this, but it is a fact. So, you can see why I do not trust humanity and their values since so many people are in denial and are delusional. They are not awakened to the truth. I will also point out a quote which shows how emotions are value judgments. Although, I disagree with his idea that our reasoned thoughts are real value judgments:

Emotions are value judgments too. For example, if you are physically hurt, and the doctor treating you causes you pain during treatment, do you become angry and bite him? No, because you are able to override your instinctive anger and fear at someone causing you pain with your ability to reason that the treatment is necessary and the pain is temporary. But a dog can't reason, and will bite to stop the person causing the pain. Both the instinctive emotions AND the reasoned thoughts are value judgments.


With all of this being said, it is our lower, basic emotions which are the real chemical messages to our brains that things, moments, and situations in our lives are good, beautiful, bad, horrible, disgusting, etc. Our morality and intellect was never the real message of value to our brains. You could have, for example, a metaphorical version of hunger and thirst such as if you said to yourself that you were hungry and thirsty for fame and power. From there, you could say that your higher impulse was a form of hunger and thirst. But it wouldn't be any real hunger and thirst though.

The real hunger and thirst is through our lower impulse which would be the feeling of hunger you get when you need to eat something or the feeling of thirst you get when you need to drink something. That is the real message to your brain that you need to eat something or drink something and not what comes about through our higher impulse alone. It would be no different than if you said to yourself that you are water and lightning since you flow through life with ease and you strike down your enemies. You wouldn't be real water and lightning. Rather, you would just be having a metaphorical version of water and lightning going on here. Therefore, the moral and intellectual based good and bad was a metaphorical version of good and bad all along and was never any real good and bad value in our lives.

To conclude this, sadly, positive emotions are very fleeting things which means the good value, joy, and beauty in our lives is also very fleeting. Therefore, people who struggle with a depressive mental illness due to no fault of their own or people who go through much misery and hardships in their lives would be living lives that have little to no good value and worth regardless of what they believed otherwise and regardless of what contributions they made to the world. It is often times beautiful things in life that are fleeting. For example, a rainbow only lasts for a little while before it fades away. The good value and beauty in our lives is no different than that rainbow. With all of this being said, this claim I am making is to support the hedonistic philosophy which states that pleasure (positive emotions) are the only real good things to our lives and displeasure (negative emotions) are the only real bad things in our lives.
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Re: A sense we have that many people are unaware of

Postby Poodle » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:21 pm

So when are you going to present your logical argument?

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Re: A sense we have that many people are unaware of

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:48 pm

I'm waiting for the executive summary.

I thought the "fight or flight" response was well documented? What else is the babble about????

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Re: A sense we have that many people are unaware of

Postby Omniverse » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:34 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I'm waiting for the executive summary.

I thought the "fight or flight" response was well documented? What else is the babble about????

The UNIVERSE is an existential place. Hoomans finds their own PERSONAL MEANING of it....as they do. For me: its hobbies especially living as cheaply as I can/what to.........but I'll wait for the Summary.


Yes, it is already well known that we have the fight or flight response. But I was talking about how our emotions allow us to sense value to give our lives value. People do not realize that our emotions are a sense and this is what I was talking about.

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Re: A sense we have that many people are unaware of

Postby OutOfBreath » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:47 pm

I'm getting the sense that the OP tries to say something simple and banal in such a complicated way, that I'm missing what it really is.

But, you try to put up emotions as a sense as number 4, which would be wrong. The firing of amygdala and what-have-you is what makes you make the distinctions of pleasant/unpleasant in the first place. Emotions are attached to stimuli to heighten memory and so forth. But emotions are not in themselves stimuli.

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