Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:24 am

gorgeous wrote:when out of body...went through the roof of my house....not really solid...energy passing thru energy...
.....so you had a dream last night,,,,,,,,but still haven't attempted to walk through a wall?

Amazingly, as you now claim you were born in West Berlin as your father was a NSA employee working in West Berlin, you should simply ask him what electrons are, as he worked in SIGNET. (Electronic Signals Intelligence)

(However, if you had done your maths, you would realise that considering the year the NSA last used Teufelsberg in Berlin, how old you must be. Do you use a walking frame? ) :D

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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by gorgeous » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:28 am

not correct
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:33 am

gorgeous wrote:not correct
You wrote it Gorgeous. You lied and got caught out as lying, yet again. :lol:

gorgeous wrote:I was born in Germany...

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=27416&p=547999&hilit=Germany#p547999
gorgeous wrote:....dad worked for the NSA

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27757&p=556580#p556580
gorgeous wrote:....top secret

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27757&p=556590&hilit=secret#p556590
gorgeous wrote:.....various cities including Berlin.....he was forbidden from leaving the states for 10 years when he retired because he knew too much...

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27757&p=556587&hilit=Berlin#p556587

The only NSA facility in West Berlin was the listening post Teufelsberg in the British sector, run by GCHQ. There are guided tours there for tourists.

What did the NSA do way back then at Teufelsberg, Gorgeous?
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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by gorgeous » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:35 am

never said I was born in Berlin...never said dad worked there..
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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:52 am

gorgeous wrote:never said I was born in Berlin...never said dad worked there..
gorgeous yesterday wrote:.....various cities including Berlin.....he was forbidden from leaving the states for 10 years when he retired because he knew too much...


viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27757&p=556587&hilit=Berlin#p556587

Why do you lie all the time Gorgeous? :lol:

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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by gorgeous » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:53 am

lived there, not born there
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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:58 am

gorgeous wrote:lived there, not born there
gorgeous, three days ago wrote:I was born in Germany.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=27416&p=547999&hilit=Germany#p547999

Why do you lie so much Gorgeous?

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Post by gorgeous » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:07 am

not born in Berlin
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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:18 am

gorgeous wrote:not born in Berlin
Gorgeous. You got caught lying five times yesterday. You were not born in Germany to an NSA employee who was working in Berlin. You made up a string of lies in the anti-holocaust denial sub forum in front of numerous historians who study German political and military history. You don't even know where Germany is.

You got destroyed.
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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by Gord » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:41 am

They didn't have to tear down the Berlin Wall, everyone could just walk through it.
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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by gorgeous » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:44 pm

:lol: yes but no aliens ever showed them it was possible...
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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by gorgeous » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:04 pm

"At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it," said Associate Professor Andrew Truscott from the ANU Research School of Physics and Engineering.
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Post by Poodle » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:59 pm

How would he know?

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Post by gorgeous » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:18 pm

experimented----Trustcott's experiment involved creating a Bose-Einstein Condensate of around a hundred helium atoms. He conducted the experiment first with this condensate, but says the possibility that atoms were influencing each other made it important to repeat after ejecting all but one. The atom was passed through a “grate” made by two laser beams that can scatter an atom in a similar manner to a solid grating that can scatter light. These have been shown to cause atoms to either pass through one arm, like a particle, or both, like a wave.

A random number generator was then used to determine whether a second grating would appear further along the atom's path. Crucially, the number was only generated after the atom had passed the first grate.

The second grating, when applied, caused an interference pattern in the measurement of the atom further along the path. Without the second grating, the atom had no such pattern.
------------Truscott says that there are two possible explanations for the behavior observed. Either, as most physicists think, the atom decided whether it was a wave or a particle when measured, or “a future event (the method of detection) causes the photon to decide its past.”-------it decides , can decide it's past ?
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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by Poodle » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:53 am

Yeah - but he looked at it twice in that experiment. According to what you said, he can't look at the results of the experiment at all without bringing reality into existence. So if you look, things are real and if you don't look you don't know in the first place.
Sounds suspicious to me. Or, at least, it would if I listened to it.

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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

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gorgeous wrote:"At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it," said Associate Professor Andrew Truscott from the ANU Research School of Physics and Engineering.


You have misrepresented a 2015 news story from the Australian National University. You also edited out the second sentence. It's all normal science. and just a variation on the photon light/wave slit screen experiment, except using atoms.

"Despite the apparent weirdness, the results confirm the validity of quantum theory, which governs the world of the very small, and has enabled the development of many technologies such as LEDs, lasers and computer chips.

http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/exp ... -weirdness

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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

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gorgeous wrote:"At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it," said Associate Professor Andrew Truscott from the ANU Research School of Physics and Engineering.


He didn't "look" at anything, especially single atoms. He "measured" the atoms.

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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by gorgeous » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:04 pm

If atoms are mostly empty space, why do objects look and feel solid ...



http://www.iflscience.com/.../if-atoms- ... ook-and-fe...


Feb 24, 2017 - ... won't get far through our table, since the electrons in all the atoms are eager to grab some energy from the light. After a very short while they lose this gained energy, perhaps as light again. Changes in the patterns of absorbed and reflected light give reflections and colours - so we see the table as solid.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:44 pm

Van der Waals Interaction.

Next question.

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Post by gorgeous » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:53 pm

still not solid ...and why is nothing real?----------------"If quantum mechanics hasn’t profoundly shocked you, you haven’t understood it yet. Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” -― Niels Bohr, Essays 1932-1957 on Atomic Physics and Human Knowledge
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:18 pm

We're all (still) eagerly awaiting your laying out the evidence for your many (often conflicting) claims. (Man, give us at least a measly single one piece...)



Edit: The usual...
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:46 pm

btw, why would the alleged you put alleged ice on the allegedly bumped shin if none of it is real nor solid?
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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by Poodle » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:27 pm

Yep - puzzles me, too. If you can possibly avoid shin-barking by leaving your body, I'd definitely be out of it when obstructions are in the room with me. Come to think of it, I AM often out of it in rooms with hard objects and I've never been conscious of barked shins. Until the next morning, at least.

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Re: Is anything really solid or just an illusion?

Post by Monster » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:20 am

I accidentally hit my nonexistent head on a nonexistent cave ceiling last weekend. My soul registered pain coming from my nonexistent brain.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:54 am

:hmm: Been wearing that non-solid nonexistent helmet again, eh... :afdb:
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Post by Io » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:39 am

gorgeous wrote:If atoms are mostly empty space, why do objects look and feel solid ...
Although this will be an analogy rather than an accurate illustration of the concepts, here's a fun experiment that you can do yourself, gorgeous.

Take an ordinary desk fan and remove the guard front (there're usually clips, sometimes you'll need a screwdriver) and pop it in front of you. Imagine that the fan is an atom, frozen in a moment of time. The fan blade area itself is mostly nothing - put your fingers through the fan area, go on, all ten of them. See? Mostly nothing. Your fingers mostly go right through and out the other side.

Now, restart time: turn the fan on and return energy to the atom. Now put your fingers in. Go on, all ten of them. You should feel some... resistance.

Right. Now maybe we can get a break.


ps, considering I've got you on ignore, I hope you appreciate the lengths I went to to quote you.
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Post by Gord » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:18 am

Now if gorgeous just puts his/her/its tongue into the fan as well, then he/she/it would solve another problem that probably affects those around him/her/it.
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Post by Io » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:41 am

I imagine that the noise that comes out post-fan will be about as intelligible.

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Post by Poodle » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:33 pm

I don't think gorgeous has a fan.

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Post by OlegTheBatty » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:38 pm

gorgeous wrote:If atoms are mostly empty space, why do objects look and feel solid ...
Define 'solid'.

No thing is completely impermeable. Permeability depends on the forces involved. Any object can be deformed and/or penetrated. If you can't penetrate the table with your finger, then you are not using enough force. Try harder.
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Post by Dimebag » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:12 pm

Gorgeous, I think I've found your new Seth:
Consciousness consists of bio-electricity of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a maturing of the cosmic.

The goal of superpositions of possibilities is to plant the seeds of truth rather than selfishness. Manna is the knowledge of understanding, and of us.

The explosion of transformation is now happening worldwide.

Where there is bondage, stardust cannot thrive. The complexity of the present time seems to demand an evolving of our bodies if we are going to survive. You must take a stand against selfishness.


Only a prophet of the biosphere may ignite this quantum shift of freedom. Without balance, one cannot heal. Suffering is born in the gap where nature has been excluded.

Soon there will be a blossoming of grace the likes of which the world has never seen. This circuit never ends. It is a sign of things to come.

Although you may not realize it, you are unlimited.
Nothing is impossible. To follow the myth is to become one with it. Today, science tells us that the essence of nature is empathy.

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Post by Poodle » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:53 pm

That will come in very useful.

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Post by Gord » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:57 pm

Great, yet one more thing I have to put in my sig....
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Post by Major Malfunction » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:24 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:
gorgeous wrote:If atoms are mostly empty space, why do objects look and feel solid ...
Define 'solid'.

No thing is completely impermeable. Permeability depends on the forces involved. Any object can be deformed and/or penetrated. If you can't penetrate the table with your finger, then you are not using enough force. Try harder.
Magnetism is a good introductory example for laymen. You can give a kid a bunch of magnets to play with, and they'll understand that the magnets exert a real force they can feel, even tho' you can't see it. Then apply that to atoms and electrons. What we call an atom is mostly a repulsive force field exerted by electrons. Electrons are a negative field, so they mostly repel each other. But in the right alignment, just like magnets, they'll stick together.

Getting into harmonic vibrations in space, nodes and anti-nodes amplifying and cancelling is probably too much to begin.

Small steps.
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Post by gorgeous » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:15 pm

Scientists show future events decide what happens in the past

http://www.digitaljournal.com/science/e ... .../434829 ---------An experiment by Australian scientists has proven that what happens to particles in the past is only decided when they are observed and measured in the future. Until such time, reality is just an abstraction. -------------Quantum laws tend to contradict common sense. At that level, one thing can be two different things simultaneously and be at two different places at the same time. Two particles can be entangled and, when one changes its state, the other will also do so immediately, even if they are at opposite ends of the universe – seemingly acting faster than the speed of light.
Particles can also tunnel through solid objects, which should normally be impenetrable barriers, like a ghost passing through a wall. And now scientists have proven that, what is happening to a particle now, isn't governed by what has happened to it in the past, but by what state it is in the future – effectively meaning that, at a subatomic level, time can go backwards. ---------------------------------not solid,-----time can go backwards-as aliens have said...
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Post by Gord » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:02 pm

Wrong. The results are observed in both cases, whether they were measured or not. It was the measurement -- the interaction with the particles -- which caused the wave functions to collapse.

Poor reporting is not something that should be relied upon. Go read the actual paper by the scientists.
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I've seen, let's say, "mass media" report decades old science reports, word for word, as breaking news.

It's like they think we're too stupid to notice. Hehe. I'm going to disappear.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:19 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:I've seen, let's say, "mass media" report decades old science reports, word for word, as breaking news.

It's like they think we're too stupid to notice. Hehe. I'm going to disappear.
Don't be so negative. Its "news" to THEM....so, they report it.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:29 pm

It's true that the normies need repetition.
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