Li Ching Yuen, really over 200 years old?

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Post by Kamil » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:39 am

I just came across the supposed legend-- this man apparently lived to age 256. Skeptics say he probably got mistaken for someone else or took on the name from an ancestor, but people who believe him say in Chinese culture it is considered wrong to take the name of an ancestor, so he would likely never do it. There are anecdotes of peoples' granddads saying they knew Yuen when they were kids and then they ended up growing old and dying. Do you guys believe he really lived this long? There are apparent records of the chinese government congratulating him on his 150th and his 200th birthday.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:49 am

Kamil wrote:...Do you guys believe he really lived this long?...
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Post by TJrandom » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:34 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll:

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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:10 am

I have no way of gauging the credibility of anyone reporting this.

Hence I have no reason to doubt them.

Check's out.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:52 am

Omniverse AKA Kamil AKA Matt MSV7 wrote:I just came across the supposed legend-- this man apparently lived to age 256.
Now remember that you are both a liar and a complete idiot. :lol:

Li Ching Yuen,was a herbalist who sold magic potions to a Chinese warlord in 1930 that would supposedly make him live for ever.

The story supposedly appeared in a 1930 New York Times article, as researched by Wu Chung-chieh, a professor of the Chengdu University, discovering Imperial Chinese government records from 1827 congratulating Li Ching-Yuen on his 150th birthday,

The problem is that the article was never published in the New York Times and Chengdu University was founded in 1978.


Here is the debunk yet again....
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Post by TJrandom » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:05 am

I believe he was a hexadecimalist, or was it a Fat {!#%@}?

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Post by Lance Kennedy » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:52 am

The oldest person with appropriate documentation, reached 123 years. That is it. No one ever lived longer, and anyone who claims that is lying,

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Post by Austin Harper » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:31 pm

Kamil wrote:Do you guys believe he really lived this long?
No, why would I?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:15 pm

125? Wow, that's news!

150? Wow, that's news!

175? Wow, that's news!

200? Wow, that's news!

But we haven't heard of him before now.
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Post by busterggi » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:53 pm

He's no Old Tom Parr.

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Post by Lance Kennedy » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:59 pm

The oldest person ever to have lived was Jeanne Calment, of France, who died a little before her 123rd birthday. There are always numerous claims (like Tom Parr) of much greater ages, but they never have documentation to prove it.

Basic principle for any skeptic, or other person who can think rationally, if a claim is made that is extraordinary, it is probably a lie.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:17 pm

Documentation, pfft. I have a birf certificate but it's lying. Lyin', I tells ya! :shakefist:
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My grandmother was 108 when she died. No papers available, but evidence encourages that belief.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:42 pm

Her surviving older sister provided it? :-P


(Wow, 108! I hope she was nice. Probably just keeled over one day while making breakfast for everyone. :-D)
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scrmbldggs wrote:Her surviving older sister provided it? :-P


(Wow, 108! I hope she was nice. Probably just keeled over one day while making breakfast for everyone. :-D)
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Post by Monster » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:35 pm

Kamil wrote:Do you guys believe he really lived this long?
No.
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Post by KevinLevites » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:04 am

I don't think it's impossible to live that long, or that people may have lived that long...but I want hard evidence.

I think it comes down to genetics. People with a kind of dwarfism called Laron Syndrome (very rare) are, apparently, immune to both cancer and diabetes.

It doesn't seem unlikely to me that out of all the billions of humans who have existed, that a few here and there may have anti-aging benefits built into their genetics...simply by accident.

I'm sure that this specific man was a fraud, but historically China was good about keeping written records, China was always very populous, and only until the last 150 years or so, Chinese medicine was probably the best medicine on Earth (understanding of cleanliness, exercise, moderation in diet, etc.).

So...if a Methusela was to crop up somewhere...I would expect him or her to be recognized in China.

Again, let me reiterate that I still think that Mr. Yuen is a fraud, but we should still have an open mind.

Just not so open that our brains fall out.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:27 am

KevinLevites wrote:I'm sure that this specific man was a fraud, but historically China was good about keeping written records,
The university didn't exist until 1978. Some crap stories are such crap we don't heave to bother trying to justify any part of the story at all.

I like your posts and I think you would agree, that we must dismiss fundamental crap quickly and only concern ourselves with debunking plausible crap.

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Post by Gord » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:41 pm

KevinLevites wrote:People with a kind of dwarfism called Laron Syndrome (very rare) are, apparently, immune to both cancer and diabetes.
They're not immune, they just exhibit a reduced risk to cancer and diabetes: https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/laron-syndrome
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:21 pm

To Kevin

There is a form of gullibility that happens when someone says "it MIGHT happen."

While often, strictly speaking, that might be correct, it is still gullible to accept that argument, if the probability is very low. Your statement fits the bill exactly. To say that a person living to an extraordinary age MIGHT happen, is being gullible, even if the possibility cannot be totally rejected, because the probability is very, very low.

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Post by KevinLevites » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:07 am

I specifically said that it might be possible...noth that it actually happened.

I also said that I want hard evidence.

None of these things mean that I accept that Mr. Yuen lived to be 250 years old.

Having an open mind to weird things doesn't make me gullible.

Lots of weird things turn out to be true. There are things in quantum mechanics that will twist your brain into a knot.

I think that the coelecanth, the tuatara, and the duckbill platypus are every bit as weird as a sea monster or a 250 year old man.

I did say that I believed Mr. Yuen was a fraud.

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Bear in mind that we get lots of weirdos here, and your accidently fitting the profile produced unsurprising results.
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Post by Gord » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:39 pm

KevinLevites wrote:...There are things in quantum mechanics that will twist your brain into a knot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7v5NtV8v6I
I think that the coelecanth, the tuatara, and the duckbill platypus are every bit as weird as a sea monster or a 250 year old man.
Chickens are pretty freaky deaky too.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:03 pm

I doubt he was biologically 200 years old.
Much more likely that he traveled at near-lightspeed for a while.

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ElectricMonk wrote:I doubt he was biologically 200 years old.
Much more likely that he traveled at near-lightspeed for a while.
I doubt that also, but I can't rule it out
just because I yearn to do so.

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Gord wrote: Chickens are pretty freaky deaky too.
And beaky.
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scrmbldggs wrote:
Kamil wrote:...Do you guys believe he really lived this long?...
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Nope. Not really, but I regard it a matter of intellectual honesty to say that I can't rule it out by any reasonable means.
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:24 pm

Weird things happen, and quantum physics does show this. Nothing wrong with accepting weird if the evidence is there. But weirdness without evidence is to be rejected.

Religious beliefs are weirdness without evidence. Also to be rejected by anyone rational. There are just too many weird beliefs in this world that are based on nothing more than someone saying it is so (often in a book of bull-{!#%@} called a religious text.)

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This is a silly thread. No one here would fall for an American Civil War "snake oil" potion, yet that is exactly what we are looking up, redressed to a Chinese location.
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There was no original article in a 1930's New York Times about the herbalist and warlord.

There was no Chengdu University, in China, in 1930 researching the documents supporting the story.

There is no evidence that any of the "documents" discovered by the non-existing university existed and considering it is imperial china you don't actually celebrate people's birthdays in Western manners every 50 years.

The internet story was about a herbalist selling a warlord a magic potion to make the warlord live forever. Both the warlord and the man who was going to live forever died of old age.

No other person ever turned up saying "Hey I am 200 years old because my brother, a herbalist, gave me this magic potion"[/color] :lol:

Fellow members, we are meant to see through crap claims and all because a crap claim book has been reissued with a new cover featuring an exotic location, doesn't mean it still isn't an obvious crap claim. :lol:
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Age researchers tell us that the human body is capable of living over 200 years, barring the illnesses that generally bring our lives to an end in old age. Is it not plausible that one human could have escaped those illnesses by chance?

I suppose that if you've cleared the hurdles that could have killed you by age 100, the next century is clear-sailing.
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Lance Kennedy wrote:Weird things happen, and quantum physics does show this. Nothing wrong with accepting weird if the evidence is there. But weirdness without evidence is to be rejected.

Religious beliefs are weirdness without evidence. Also to be rejected by anyone rational. There are just too many weird beliefs in this world that are based on nothing more than someone saying it is so (often in a book of bull-{!#%@} called a religious text.)
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Matthew Ellard wrote:This is a silly thread. No one here would fall for an American Civil War "snake oil" potion, yet that is exactly what we are looking up, redressed to a Chinese location.Snake oil advertisement.jpg

Actually, loads of people still fall for snake oil. Prevagen is a jellyfish extract that was the subject of an fraud action by the Federal Trade Commission, but they paid off the Trump administration for protection instead. It's still the best-selling product of its kind.
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Post by busterggi » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:00 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:This is a silly thread. No one here would fall for an American Civil War "snake oil" potion, yet that is exactly what we are looking up, redressed to a Chinese location.Snake oil advertisement.jpg

There was no original article in a 1930's New York Times about the herbalist and warlord.

There was no Chengdu University, in China, in 1930 researching the documents supporting the story.

There is no evidence that any of the "documents" discovered by the non-existing university existed and considering it is imperial china you don't actually celebrate people's birthdays in Western manners every 50 years.

The internet story was about a herbalist selling a warlord a magic potion to make the warlord live forever. Both the warlord and the man who was going to live forever died of old age.

No other person ever turned up saying "Hey I am 200 years old because my brother, a herbalist, gave me this magic potion"
:lol:

Fellow members, we are meant to see through crap claims and all because a crap claim book has been reissued with a new cover featuring an exotic location, doesn't mean it still isn't an obvious crap claim. :lol:
Well sure but landrew doesn't find that reason to doubt. He's like Gorgeous that way.

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Post by busterggi » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:01 pm

landrew wrote:Age researchers tell us that the human body is capable of living over 200 years, barring the illnesses that generally bring our lives to an end in old age. Is it not plausible that one human could have escaped those illnesses by chance?

I suppose that if you've cleared the hurdles that could have killed you by age 100, the next century is clear-sailing.
Oh yeah, that's why there are so many folks over 200 but so few younger.

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Post by TJrandom » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:05 pm

I like watching the sports news on 100+yo Olympics champs, triathlon winners, heck - even tennis phenomes. I know, there being so many it can get boring, but these youngsters deserve their moment in the sun. Not so many over 200… :roll:

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busterggi wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:00 pm
Well sure but landrew doesn't find that reason to doubt. He's like Gorgeous that way.
Plenty of reason to doubt, and I doubt the man actually lived to 256, but I can't rule it out based on what I know.
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busterggi wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:01 pm
landrew wrote:Age researchers tell us that the human body is capable of living over 200 years, barring the illnesses that generally bring our lives to an end in old age. Is it not plausible that one human could have escaped those illnesses by chance?

I suppose that if you've cleared the hurdles that could have killed you by age 100, the next century is clear-sailing.
Oh yeah, that's why there are so many folks over 200 but so few younger.
One in a million would mean over 1500 Chinese lived to 200. All we need is one, and his time spans many generations.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:26 pm
Naivety is not an Olympic sport.
Yet it's a common pastime. It's easy to make sport of someone who wants to tackle strange evidence as "naive." Many of our most popular threads in this forum are originally based on a posting which raised a question which is hard to explain. Hard unless you want to take the shortcut of ridicule, dismissal and the forcing of a zero-term on what remains an X in the equation of human reasoning.

I have no axe to grind, I don't tell anyone how to think as a skeptic and I have no stake in defending unsupported claims, but I can't force myself to plaster over the hole in the wall that remains unexplained. I need to admit that the "conclusion" doesn't fit the evidence.
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Post by busterggi » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:48 pm

landrew wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:47 pm
busterggi wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:01 pm
landrew wrote:Age researchers tell us that the human body is capable of living over 200 years, barring the illnesses that generally bring our lives to an end in old age. Is it not plausible that one human could have escaped those illnesses by chance?

I suppose that if you've cleared the hurdles that could have killed you by age 100, the next century is clear-sailing.
Oh yeah, that's why there are so many folks over 200 but so few younger.
One in a million would mean over 1500 Chinese lived to 200. All we need is one, and his time spans many generations.
Show me the documentation for that one.