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Who is the Knower of Knowledge?

Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:52 pm

First question is..

Can the knower be known and by who?

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Post by Aztexan » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:05 pm

I am the knower. People know me. Others are knowers. I know them. Many I don't know but they know. We learn. We know.
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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:55 pm

Aztexan wrote:I am the knower. People know me. Others are knowers. I know them. Many I don't know but they know. We learn. We know.


If there are multiple knowers... then who is the knower that is able to tell if another knower's knowledge is correct or not? surely if they are the knower of what they know, then they surely do know?

I've heard people on this forum accuse some people that they do not know what they are talking about, even refuting their knowledge, but how can they refute someone else's knowledge, if that person is the knower of their own knowledge? how would it be possible that another knower could know they were not knowing what they are talking about ..surely they would know what they are talking about being that they are the actual knower of what they know?

So the question is, who would be the other knower that knows whether someone else's knowing is false or true? how would they possibly know that?

It simply doesn't make sense to accuse people of not knowing what they are talking about if like you've said they are the knower?

I'd liked this to be a serious honest and open minded discussion please...no name calling trolls. Just honest mature discussion please.

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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:25 pm

People claim to be the knower, but when they are asked about who that knower is there is ridicule or silence, they simply don't know how to respond.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:34 pm

Disinterest doesn't mean ignorance.
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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:07 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Disinterest doesn't mean ignorance.


Then people here at this forum should stop accusing other people that they do not know what they are talking about.

The people who talk Advaita talk say there is no knower. And that Knowing is Only ever One with the Knowing, it is not with multiple knowers.

If we are all knower's then knowing there is no known knower must be correct for that knower, and yet there are those who accuse the Advaita talkers of talking BS..my question is, what gives another knower the authority to say that ..how do they know that other knowers do not know what they are talking about... how do they know it's BS


Doesn't that just make a complete mockery and turn the idea there is a knower into a complete and utter sham?

Do people just blindly go about their lives purporting to be the knower without ever questioning just who exactly is that knower ..and just believe basically anything that they believe to be true that fits with their personal model of truth without ever questioning the validity of that truth?

If that's the case then who's truth is correct, is everybody correct and who can say whether another persons truth is true or not true?

This is the sickness of the separate mind belief.

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Re: Who is the Knower of Knowledge?

Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:15 pm

Intelligence has nothing to do with knowledge.

The body has it's own intelligence, it's a working functioning miracle, and no body made a body.

The body does not know it exists, intelligence does not know it exist, existence has no known owner.

Can this be refuted?

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placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Disinterest doesn't mean ignorance.


Then people here at this forum should stop accusing other people that they do not know what they are talking about.

Disinterest does not mean ignorance.
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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:26 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Disinterest doesn't mean ignorance.


Then people here at this forum should stop accusing other people that they do not know what they are talking about.

Disinterest does not mean ignorance.


Only ignorance is original, ignorance is your original face, and you have never seen it.

Why would there be an interest in what you do not know or have never seen?

There is only interest in what is known and seen...and what is known and seen is only a copy of the original (apparently)

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Re: Who is the Knower of Knowledge?

Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:36 pm

I don't share your beliefs. It's known what you're talking about. It's an open secret.
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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:50 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:I don't share your beliefs. It's known what you're talking about. It's an open secret.


I don't have any belief, I am a belief. And yes I know it's an open secret that no one knows.

So what?

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placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:I don't share your beliefs. It's known what you're talking about. It's an open secret.


I don't have any belief, I am a belief. And yes I know it's an open secret that no one knows.

So what?

The quite common and unwarranted shedding of responsibility and accountability by the novice is tedious and unappreciated by the ones who don't chose Beliefs.
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Re: Who is the Knower of Knowledge?

Post by Poodle » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:01 pm

Could Noah be the Knower?

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:41 pm

placid wrote: I've heard people on this forum accuse some people that they do not know what they are talking about, even refuting their knowledge, but how can they refute someone else's knowledge,


Baby Steps Placid

Placid claims words do not convey meaning based on his total knowledge
Placid then posts words on the forum conveying his knowledge that words don't convey meaning.

Therefore we can conclude Placid's knowledge is incorrect and Placid is a complete idiot.
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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:53 pm

Poodle wrote:Could Noah be the Knower?


no one knows

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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:54 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
placid wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:I don't share your beliefs. It's known what you're talking about. It's an open secret.


I don't have any belief, I am a belief. And yes I know it's an open secret that no one knows.

So what?

The quite common and unwarranted shedding of responsibility and accountability by the novice is tedious and unappreciated by the ones who don't chose Beliefs.


I've always taken responsibility for myself and others in my care, so speak for yourself only please.

No one chooses a belief, you are the belief.

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Placid : The world's most confused Hippy
placid wrote: No one is responsible. Things just happen.
placid a day later wrote:I've always taken responsibility for myself and others in my care,


What an idiot! :lol:

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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:03 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
What an idiot!


Takes one to know one fool. Suck up your own {!#%@} you coward, stop spitting it at me.

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Matthew Ellard wrote:Placid : The world's most confused Hippy
placid wrote: No one is responsible. Things just happen.
placid a day later wrote:I've always taken responsibility for myself and others in my care,



No one is saying this.

You deaf, how many more times, I'm here all night if you want me to keep repeating it.

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Placid : The world's most confused Hippy
placid wrote: No one is responsible. Things just happen.
placid a day later wrote:I've always taken responsibility for myself and others in my care,


placid wrote:No one is saying this
You said it. I'm quoting you.


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Re: Who is the Knower of Knowledge?

Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:08 pm

The body is never confused, could you imagine if it was... it might forget how to breathe .

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Matthew Ellard wrote:Placid : The world's most confused Hippy
placid wrote: No one is responsible. Things just happen.
placid a day later wrote:I've always taken responsibility for myself and others in my care,


placid wrote:No one is saying this
You said it. I'm quoting you.


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No you are not you are responding to some words on a computer screen fool.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:12 pm

placid wrote:The body is never confused, could you imagine if it was... it might forget how to breathe .

Nope. We know that you don't believe any of your own bull-shit. Your just trolling out of loneliness.

If you really didn't believe words conveyed meaning, then why would you be posting on a forum using words? It's because you know all your claims are bull-shit.

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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:27 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
placid wrote:The body is never confused, could you imagine if it was... it might forget how to breathe .

Nope. We know that you don't believe any of your own bull-shit. Your just trolling out of loneliness.

If you really didn't believe words conveyed meaning, then why would you be posting on a forum using words? It's because you know all your claims are bull-shit.



That's right, I know it's all BS

And I also know why it's BS..it's because no thing is doing any of this BS

You are just saying the obvious over and over and over again fool.

Not lonely, just love solitude, big difference, don't confuse the two, here, I am just observing the madness that is the human mind, and your the biggest star of the show..please continue, I never get bored observing you. You are the king of clowns in this human circus we call earth..please show us more of what you got? I can't get enough of it.

You are welcome to hang around me any time you want, just don't disturb my love for solitude.

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Re: Who is the Knower of Knowledge?

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:33 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:Nope. We know that you don't believe any of your own bull-shit. Your just trolling out of loneliness. If you really didn't believe words conveyed meaning, then why would you be posting on a forum using words? It's because you know all your claims are bull-shit.

placid wrote: That's right, I know it's all BS
Finally, you are telling the truth! :D

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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:37 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:Nope. We know that you don't believe any of your own bull-shit. Your just trolling out of loneliness. If you really didn't believe words conveyed meaning, then why would you be posting on a forum using words? It's because you know all your claims are bull-shit.

placid wrote: That's right, I know it's all BS
Finally, you are telling the truth! :D


No I'm not, I do not exist.

No one can tell the truth.

The truth is self standing all alone.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:42 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:We know that you don't believe any of your own bull-shit. Your just trolling out of loneliness.
placid wrote: That's right, I know it's all BS

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placid wrote:I don't exist
placid wrote:I'm not here, you have no proof I'm here,
placid five posts later wrote:I'm here just like every one else is .....
placid one post later wrote: No one is saying this...
placid wrote: No I'm not, I'm saying I do not exist.
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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:45 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote: :lol:


:lol:

We're only here as imagined, words are the story no one tells itself.

The SELF is not a contradiction, the mind is, because the mind is knowledge which is illusory, a conceptual overlay upon what's already this not-knowing here presence.

We're here and not here simultaneously ..if you don't believe it investigate it for yourself, just don't take my word for it.

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placid wrote: The SELF is not a contradiction,
Have you ever read your own posts? :lol:

placid wrote:I don't exist
placid wrote:I'm not here, you have no proof I'm here,
placid five posts later wrote:I'm here just like every one else is .....
placid one post later wrote: No one is saying this...
placid one post later wrote: I'm saying I don't exist

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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:54 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
placid wrote: The SELF is not a contradiction,
Have you ever read your own posts? :lol:

placid wrote:I don't exist
placid wrote:I'm not here, you have no proof I'm here,
placid five posts later wrote:I'm here just like every one else is .....
placid one post later wrote: No one is saying this...
placid one post later wrote: I'm saying I don't exist


Yes, I'm reading it just like you are reading them, you see the exact same words as I do, because we are both the same reader, there is only one reader.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:06 pm

placid wrote:Yes, I'm reading it just like you are reading them
So you exist. Well that was easy to prove. :lol:

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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:20 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
placid wrote:Yes, I'm reading it just like you are reading them
So you exist. Well that was easy to prove. :lol:


I exist, the words I read about myself are my dream. There is only the dream ...It's all dreamscape.

The dream is inseparable from the dreamer...it's all one, no proof required it's self evident.

Can you separate a dream from the dreamer..that's the only proof that that cannot be proved. For who would separate what is one?

You are the dreamer of your nightly dreams, but you are not the characters in the dream, but the characters in the dream are not separate from you...it's the same one dreaming waking life. The same one dreaming nightly dreams is the same one dreaming it is awake.

Lucid living comes to mind.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:28 pm

placid wrote:I exist, the words I read about myself are my dream.
Nope. they are formed by electrons on anyone's computer monitor who looks at this forum page. That's why you consciously clicked the submit button.

Did you forget you pushed the submit button again?
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Post by placid » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:57 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
placid wrote:I exist, the words I read about myself are my dream.
[color=#000080]Nope. they are formed by electrons on anyone's computer monitor who looks at this forum page. That's why you consciously clicked the submit button.


Yes, consciousness dreams it all. All concepts known by consciousness that has never been seen by any dream character it dreams for one very good reason, dreams are not real.

An electron is a concept, created by the mind, it doesn't know anything... to know the concept electron requires a knower, consciousness that is not a thing knows every concept as it arises in it, which itself is not a concept. All dreamscape, why you fight with this so much...you want your version to sound better than mine? it's all the same one consciousness appearing as different versions.

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Post by placid » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:06 am

The ego is a sadistic little monkey, it refuses to die to the idea it's separate from the whole ..no doubt it'll be back as soon as I get off to bed...just so it can get in the last word because it's that insecure about itself, it has to constantly validate it's existence by trying to prove it self as the knower...without ever realising it's already the known, and there is nothing for it to worry about...things are already being taken care of, it doesn't even have to lift a finger, because that action had already been done for it, before it even got to know it had happened.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:48 am

placid wrote:The ego is a sadistic little monkey.
Exactly. That's why a confused religious person like yourself has to troll a science forum to get attention. :lol:

placid wrote:no doubt it'll be back as soon as I get off to bed
It's Saturday morning in Australia and I'm doing some accounting work on the computer. You are sooooooo,,, yesterday. :lol:

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:57 am

Confidencia wrote: electron, photons and protons are all conscious
placid wrote: An electron is a concept, created by the mind, it doesn't know anything...

We already debunked these two conflicting religious claims in one go

Humans, using the scientific method, can use electrons to make complex calculations. If ten people enter the same complex mathematical question into ten different hand calculators they will get the same answer.

You bull-shit religion cannot explain that at all.
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