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Re: "Feminist scientist" is an oxymoron.

Postby ElectricMonk » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:54 pm

Viagra doesn't require arousal.
And rape is not limited to the use of penises, or women wouldn't be able to rape.
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Re: "Feminist scientist" is an oxymoron.

Postby TJrandom » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:23 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:... The prison rape, if male on male, requires homosexual tendencies, or else the erection would not happen. Thus a different kind of sexual arousal. ...


Oh, and the warmed squash requires what? Oh, vegetarian tendencies? While masturbation requires belief in a master race? And the missionary position requires religious belief… Come on here Lance – make it up on the fly, you can do did it! :roll:

But but but... Lance, I thought your strict definition of rape required a vagina, so are you saying those raped `males` are actually female trannies? Odd that they would be comingling in prison, but what do I know?

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Postby OlegTheBatty » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:33 pm

Lance's cognitive dissonance has registered on the Richter scale. Seismographs in the southern hemisphere are going wild.
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Postby ElectricMonk » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:37 pm

Another thing: you can get an errection by thinking about anything but the person in front of you: it's how some homosexuals manage to stay in the closet in a heterosexual relationship.
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Postby TJrandom » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:47 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:Lance's cognitive dissonance has registered on the Richter scale. Seismographs in the southern hemisphere are going wild.


Is that what casued the Fukushima tsunami? Oh, northern hemisphere... way to go Lance! :mrgreen:

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Postby TJrandom » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:48 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:Another thing: you can get an errection by thinking about anything but the person in front of you: it's how some homosexuals manage to stay in the closet in a heterosexual relationship.


Isn`t that what President Carter fessed up to?

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Postby Lance Kennedy » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:08 pm

Definitions !

Change the definition and change the argument.

If you guys want to argue on the basis of definitions other than forced sexual intercourse, please start another thread. You can have fun patting each other on the back in my total absense.

And EM.
I suggest you read up on the mode of action of Viagra, and avoid those fallacies. A man on Viagra still needs some kind of stimulus for an erection. He needs to be sexually aroused.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:36 am

Last time I read about it, Viagra simply supplies nitric acid which stimulates the penis chemically to have an erection. The man can be unconscious and not thinking about anything.

Seems I asked this before....but if we agree arguendo that inserting a penis into something requires sexual arousal....does that answer the question 100% of the time of what causes sexual arousal? Again...its back to recognizing the penis is just a tool that is the result of the sex drive Lance is fixated on, but all the other drives that EM listed.

also........lance.........Please expound in further detail how it is that sex is the basic drive for rape but the great majority of people who have a sex drive do NOT rape. You know.......more than just saying those who rape are arseholes. give us some linked data====NOT to include that every rape with a penis involves a man with a penis. Hopefully, even you will avoid such a round circle.......although.....not yet.
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Re: "Feminist scientist" is an oxymoron.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:29 am

The function of Viagra is to improve blood flow, restoring normal function. With Viagra, just as with a sexually healthy man, the penis is only erect when stimulated.

Bobbo.
You are diving into fallacy with your query. Why do not all men with a sex drive rape? Nikki went down that route and I could hardly believe she could be so stooopid!

You can ask in the same vein , why are not all people violent and murderous? Or any other trait, in fact. The answer is human variability. For pretty much any and every human characteristic, there is a continuum of variation. The response to the normal human sex drive in males varies from shyness (me as a teenager), to seduction, to porn addiction, to extreme jealousy, to rape, and much more. We are all different, and we all respond differently to various situations. You should not have to ask why humans respond differently to anything. In fact, the very question makes me wonder about your general intelligence.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:00 am

Lance Kennedy wrote: You should not have to ask why humans respond differently to anything. In fact, the very question makes me wonder about your general intelligence.

The entire response is better than I was expecting, you still have a loose tether to reality. Part of your detachment though is demonstrated above. You are in the trap of defining words to fit your own conclusions rather than what the dictionary says, and concomitantly changing entirely the words/questions/challenges/evidence put to you. The QUESTION put to you was how could rape be caused by the sex drive when most people with a sex drive don't commit rape. Your answer is "basically" applicable but so far removed as to be irrelevant to actually answering the question/understanding the issue.

If everyone has a sex drive but only a few commit rape....then its that element of causation IN THE FEW that is most relevant. What is common to all situations drops out of consideration........aka: its math. Its necessary but not sufficient to the act in question. You've had this pointed out 10 times now and you still are dealing with the issue by changing the question put to you and offering responses so general that they are irrelevant.

What you are doing is "very objectively observable." Why don't you: Look.

Here's another go at the same question phrased differently: Let's assume the sex drive is the basic cause of rape. Ok. Now what? What do we "do" with that nugget? What insight into human experience does that give us? Now: balance that with what the next question should be.............................. Ha, ha............. GO=====>
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:35 am

Obvious, Bobbo. Find ways to suppress that sex drive in rapists.
Oh, wait. It has already been done, and it works !

If you want to go that extra step, find a way to permanently suppress the sex drive in rapists without stepping beyond the bounds of ethics. A drug would do it, if that drug's effects lasted. Scope for further research.

On the rest of your post.
Frankly I do not understand what you are driving at. As far as I am concerned, I answered your earlier query.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:56 am

Always a good way to maintain a position: just ignore all other positions.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:10 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:Obvious, Bobbo. Find ways to suppress that sex drive in rapists.
Oh, wait. It has already been done, and it works !

In context, "that sex drive" is not the basic sex drive that you are such a fan of. Can't you see that? ((So far: no.))

The medical castration/drug lobotomy is a gross tool that does prevent the behavior...but I would not call those metholds a "cure", so it works depending on how you define the issue. Being a Master of word definitions, I'm sure you agree.

As this thread slowly grinds to a halt/finish/bunch of dead yeast, it would be interesting to hear any explanation from you as to why you have resorted to belittling people. You are on a downward curve. A year ago I complimented you on your ability to stick to an issue and not devolve to insults. 3 months ago you started in this downward projection with your adamant demand that Nuke Power was the safest power source there was. Now, you are going full bore on highly debateable if not simply wrong issues whereas your Nuke Position was supported by the definitions you chose to use which in my view were reasonable.

We are what we eat..... but also what we think. Mind the gap.
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Re: "Feminist scientist" is an oxymoron.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:49 am

Bobbo

So much space for misreading my words.
Works both ways of course. I have so much difficulty so often understanding yours.

Not sure how you are dividing sex drive up. In my view, there is just the one basic sex drive. Admittedly, I am talking only of the male one.

Chemical castration is a treatment. Not a cure.. Stop the drugs and offending resumes.

My statements on nuke power were like my current statements. Backed by solid data.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:00 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:Bobbo

So much space for misreading my words..

What was misread? My best guess, you don't like, or don't understand my saying "In context, "that sex drive" is not the basic sex drive that you are such a fan of. Can't you see that? ((So far: no.))" /// Fair enough. You don't see what everyone else does, hence your intransigence.

In context: there is only ONE basic sex drive, that is the nature of being "basic." So, when you say that rapists are being treated for "that sex drive" there are two immediate interpretations: Yours: the treatment of the basic sex drive that has gone too far into criminality, or...some other sex drive or other drive that you do not admit exists.

But....if the sex drive being treated is the basic sex drive that has gone to far, you are left with what makes that sex drive different from the sex drive everyone else has. Doesn't make too much sense other than its circularity. This actually demonstrates that indeed it is "other factors" or other sex drives, or other drives totally that is leading to the criminality.

Think on it. Everyone else sees it...........being data driven and all.
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Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:39 am

Bobbo

I really cannot follow your version of logic.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:01 am

Its very straight forward. aka: your very problem.

Given your education, training, life experience, and postings on other issues, the only thing you are dealing with is disagreement.
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Postby TJrandom » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:48 am

If it is the basic sex drive that needs to be addressed, then surely all males before puberty need that treatment, lest they rape.

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Postby enoch arden » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:41 pm

Rutherford: "all science is ether physics or stamp collecting". Which part is related to feminism?

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Postby Io » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:49 pm

The part that's not Rutherford?

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Postby enoch arden » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:56 pm

Then let men do physics and women stamp collecting. And there will be no problem with sexism.

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Postby TJrandom » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:31 pm

Stamp...? I thought it was stomp. Let men do physics and women stomp on them - or something like that.

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Postby KevinLevites » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:13 am

I don't think that 'feminist scientist' is an oxymoron, and here's why:

Every person brings their view of the world to the field that they study, and it's a good thing. My field (EMS paramedic) was, traditionally, a white boys' club.

Female partners were, as an example, able to bring a woman's viewpoint toward a 911 call that was helpful, for example, in cases of rape, childbirth, domestic violence, and so on.

Embracing diversity (which caused the traditionalists to throw tantrums) has been good for my field and helped it grow.

Feminists, in other words, brought in different ideas and saved my field from stagnation.

Women have been underrepresented in science (with exceptions like Mary Leakey, Marie Curie, Jane Goodall, Jocelyn Bell, and so on), so perhaps more of a woman's perspective (unless we say that science is genderless and colorblind) might be helpful.

If science really is genderless (I think it is in theory, but not practice), then feminist science is meaningless and harms no one.

If science is biased in favor of men (in practice, if not in theory), then we need feminist science to address the limitation.

I may seem to be confusing feminist science with feminist scientists...which I assure you that I'm not.

It just seems that if there are fields of scientific study that would benefit from a woman's touch...then we need to have it.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:19 am

KL: you don't respond to what Lance posted at all. You two should get along real well. :pc:
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Re: "Feminist scientist" is an oxymoron.

Postby KevinLevites » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:16 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:EM

Your illogic is fallacious.

My thesis was that rape has, as it's basic cause, the sex drive.
When drugs are used to suppress the sex drive, raping stops. When a serial rapist on those drugs stops using them, then when enough time has elapsed for libido recovery, the raping starts again.

I have demonstrated my thesis beyond reasonable doubt, and all the red herrings, straw men, and wriggling on the hook does not change that.

Now, if I remember correctly, you have not actually stated the fallacy that Nikki, Io, Bobbo, and TJ, have stumbled on. Why are you standing up for their bull-shit, and risking making a fool of yourself ?


I think our attitudes toward rape (I am, after all, a paramedic) have more to do with this disgusting act than sex drive.

Rape was, in the past, even treated in a light-hearted way in children's cartoons.

If you don't believe me, look up a Hannah-Barbera cartoon called "Wait til Your Father Gets Home". Tom Bosley--Richie Cunningham's father from Happy Days--did the voice of the main character.

All you have to do is watch the opening credits, and you'll see what I mean when the scumbag with flowers shows up to take the 14 year old girl out on her first date.

It's on youtube. Go look. You'll see what I mean.


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