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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:44 am

Major Malfunction wrote:At least it's tax-free.

Still took out Social Security and the like. $247/month before deductions.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:06 am

Our regulars start at about 60k, and double that if deployed.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:43 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:Our regulars start at about 60k, and double that if deployed.

What did they get in 1970?
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Postby Major Malfunction » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:11 am

Closest I could find was 1975 Lieutenant $10k.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:18 am

Major Malfunction wrote:Closest I could find was 1975 Lieutenant $10k.

US that would be an O-3 paygrade (O-1 (ensign) to O-10 (full admiral) ). I was E-4, Petty Officer Third Class at the time. I arrived as an ENFN, or E-3.
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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby Tom Palven » Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:54 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:I think, TJ, we cannot use past trends to predict the future with any certainty. Of course past trends is still the best method we have. A lot better than tea leaves. Rather obviously, a nuclear war would kill more people than any previous war. However, the trend is a source of hope that sanity might prevail.

WWII was the result of a total arsehole getting into power. Right now, both NK and the USA have total arseholes in power, so things are a bit shakey.


Jimmy Carter might make another trip to North Korea, and if so it just might help the situation:
https://www.rt.com/usa/403169-carter-us ... chy-korea/
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Postby Major Malfunction » Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:23 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:US that would be an O-3 paygrade (O-1 (ensign) to O-10 (full admiral) ). I was E-4, Petty Officer Third Class at the time. I arrived as an ENFN, or E-3.

The US pay is still pretty {!#%@} for that rank these days! $27k?!? A Seaman gets $46k in the RAN. Even taking into account currency and living expenses, that sounds like a shitty deal.
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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby Tom Palven » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:35 am

China and Russia jointly practice war games near the Korean peninsula:
https://www.rt.com/news/403633-russia-c ... s-pacific/
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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

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Major Malfunction wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:US that would be an O-3 paygrade (O-1 (ensign) to O-10 (full admiral) ). I was E-4, Petty Officer Third Class at the time. I arrived as an ENFN, or E-3.

The US pay is still pretty {!#%@} for that rank these days! $27k?!? A Seaman gets $46k in the RAN. Even taking into account currency and living expenses, that sounds like a shitty deal.

But we were in it for the glory, not the pay. :roll:
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Tom Palven wrote:China and Russia jointly practice war games near the Korean peninsula:
https://www.rt.com/news/403633-russia-c ... s-pacific/

We're not going to have WWIII, we're going to have a new island in the Pacific, called "Korea".
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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby Major Malfunction » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:17 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:But we were in it for the glory, not the pay. :roll:

I've heard lots of stories, and it's mostly about luck and regret.
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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:58 am

Major Malfunction wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:But we were in it for the glory, not the pay. :roll:

I've heard lots of stories, and it's mostly about luck and regret.

The real dogs of war loved it.
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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby TJrandom » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:18 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:China and Russia jointly practice war games near the Korean peninsula:
https://www.rt.com/news/403633-russia-c ... s-pacific/

We're not going to have WWIII, we're going to have a new island in the Pacific, called "Korea".


A proxy war with nukes will make for more than one island.

It could play out like this...Trump hits NK just N of the DMZ and Pyongyang – but the nuclear cloud drift upsets China which sees an opportunity to take Formosa. Russia takes Hokkaido and China retakes Okinawa, the Senkakus and SK. Trump hits Iran and Venezuela (just for grins). Russia retakes all of the Ukraine. NK hits Guam, Hawaii, and Alaska. China hits Washington from NK, trying to put the blame on Rocket Boy. Trump (who no longer exists) hits Beijing from retaliatory subs on standing orders. Putin takes what is left of Europe. Etc., etc. It will never be called WW3 simply because there won`t be enough people alive who know how to write.

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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:51 am

Or it will fizzle like all the other crises points have done.
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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby TJrandom » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:41 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Or it will fizzle like all the other crises points have done.


Like WW2 fizzled?

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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:53 pm

TJrandom wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Or it will fizzle like all the other crises points have done.


Like WW2 fizzled?

Well, that one ended with a bang or two, but since we have WMDs the "don't get stupid" factor is way up.
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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby TJrandom » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:08 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
TJrandom wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Or it will fizzle like all the other crises points have done.


Like WW2 fizzled?

Well, that one ended with a bang or two, but since we have WMDs the "don't get stupid" factor is way up.


Agreed - except for stupid people...

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Re: Fewer deaths from war.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:18 pm

TJrandom wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
TJrandom wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Or it will fizzle like all the other crises points have done.


Like WW2 fizzled?

Well, that one ended with a bang or two, but since we have WMDs the "don't get stupid" factor is way up.


Agreed - except for stupid people...

That's why they have handlers.
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