The root cause of all the woo in the world

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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby Poodle » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:08 pm

So there we have it, folks - the root cause of all woo is alive and kicking and masquerading as a forum denizen by the name of gorgeous.

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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby gorgeous » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:23 pm

It's not me!!....It's :elvis:
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby Lance Kennedy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:29 pm

Gorgeous says scientists reject ideas because they seem nonsensical.

He, she or it clearly does not know anything about quantum physics. Nothing seems more nonsensical than that.

No, what scientists reject, is ideas that lack empirical and credible evidence.

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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby gorgeous » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:08 pm

Itzhak Bars, a theoretical physicist at the University of Southern California, thinks these hypotheses are missing a crucial ingredient: an extra dimension of time. By adding a second dimension of time and a fourth dimension of space to Einstein’s standard space-time, Bars has come up with a new model providing “additional information that remained hidden in previous formulations” of physics, including current versions of M-theory. Such a model could better explain “how nature works,” he says.

Physicists had never added a second dimension of time to their models because it opens the possibility of traveling back in time and introduces negative probabilities and other scenarios that seem nonsensical.----------------------------------------from the article...it is physicists that reject stuff because it sounds crazy....
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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby Lance Kennedy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:09 pm

Gorgeous

Science is based on empirical evidence, gained from experiment or observation. Any physicist who postulates something that is based on revelation rather than observation or experiment is not going to be taken terribly seriously.

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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby gorgeous » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:26 pm

yes, just as scientists observe remote viewing accurate results...
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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby Lance Kennedy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:47 pm

No. Remote viewing has always been bulldust.
I have read reports on the topic and seen the remote viewing results. Typically, the remote viewer draws a diagram that is so vague it could be anything. The person who interprets the results will then decide if it is anything like what is supposed to be seen. If that person is a 'true believer', then the ambiguous result is seen as correct. If not, it is seen as false. When people are used who have no bias, the results are seen as false.

In other words, Gorgeous, remote viewing studies are a tool for self deception.

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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby gorgeous » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:57 pm

hardly
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:46 am

gorgeous wrote:Seth was real and scientists could learn a great deal from his books...
Seth never wrote a book as he is a fictional cartoon character.

"Seth" was an imaginary Egyptian god, that an alcoholic con artist, called Jane Roberts, pretended to channel to make money. She was copying Ron L Hubbard, who invented Scientology to make money. Both Jane Roberts and Ron L Hubbard wrote B-grade science fiction for Amazing Stories in the 50s.

Jane Roberts died of alcoholism sometime back. Her ex-cult followers keep the cult alive for profit. "Barry" who is the curly haired person in this video joined this forum to rebutt the debunking of Jane Roberts only a year ago.


Here is Jane Roberts Channelling "Seth" in the early 70s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRG-IR3aqec&t=57s

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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:57 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:Remote viewing has always been bulldust.
gorgeous wrote:hardly

That's right. Gorgeous knows this is true and is the wisest otter on the forum. :lol:
gorgeous wrote: Joe McMoneagle - Remote viewing of Mars (2004) According to McMoneagle, humans came from creatures somewhat like sea otters rather than primates and were created in a laboratory by creators who "seeded" the earth and then departed"
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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby sandisk » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:57 am

also fear of death, as I had pointed out

Criticism of Jane Roberts according to wikipedia:
"Roberts and the Seth Material have attracted critiques from outside the paranormal community. The poet Charles Upton, posited that Roberts multiplied the self due to a fear of death. His opinion was that the Seth texts are based on a misunderstanding of both Christianity and of Eastern religions."

so, all this talk about "dimensions of existence" that she used to babble was nothing but a escape from reality.........

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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:04 am

Woo is definitely an escape from reality.
That is one of the differences to good science. Good science is a search to understand reality. Woo is running away from it.

Nothing new about that. There are indications that even Homo erectus, a million years ago, used to practise woo. This can be seen as gifts to the dead in graves. Wooists still do the same.

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Re: The root cause of all the woo in the world

Postby TJrandom » Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:08 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:Woo is definitely an escape from reality.
That is one of the differences to good science. Good science is a search to understand reality. Woo is running away from it.

Nothing new about that. There are indications that even Homo erectus, a million years ago, used to practise woo. This can be seen as gifts to the dead in graves. Wooists still do the same.


I would say that at some prior point in the various woo subjects - what was simple ignorance has become woo. Wooists know better, or at least should, while the ignorant did not.


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