Incorruptable bodies

How should we think about weird things?
sneroul the thinker
Posts: 1
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:54 pm
Custom Title: thinker

Incorruptable bodies

Postby sneroul the thinker » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:44 pm

So i have come across these bodies of the supposed incorruptable bodies of saints although they seem like mummies to me still how to you explain it.

User avatar
TJrandom
Has More Than 7K Posts
Posts: 7276
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:55 am
Location: Pacific coast outside of Tokyo bay.
Contact:

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby TJrandom » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:47 pm

They died, you found them.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Has No Life
Posts: 19183
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:46 pm

sneroul the thinker wrote:So i have come across these bodies of the supposed incorruptable bodies of saints although they seem like mummies to me still how to you explain it.

Shellac.

Image
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"

WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
Angel
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1524
Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:23 pm
Custom Title: LOVE

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Angel » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:17 pm

They are still alive.
Scientists still do not know
the exact definition of
life and death. Looks like I
do when I sleep.
To be or not to be?
To believe or
Not to believe?
To be live or
Not to be live?
To exist or
Not to exist?
What was the question?

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Has No Life
Posts: 19183
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:34 pm

Angel wrote: Looks like I
do when I sleep.

A pile of snoring horseshit?
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"

WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
gorgeous
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4074
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:25 pm

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby gorgeous » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:03 pm

it is real...when the mind is at a high moral and spiritual level it has little wear on the body...many saints slept, ate and drank very little...they didn't need to....
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

User avatar
Monster
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4953
Joined: Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:57 pm
Location: Tarrytown, NY, USA
Contact:

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Monster » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:43 pm

gorgeous wrote:it is real...when the mind is at a high moral and spiritual level it has little wear on the body...many saints slept, ate and drank very little...they didn't need to....

I laughed, but I don't think that joke would work very well in comedy clubs.
Listening twice as much as you speak is a sign of wisdom.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Has No Life
Posts: 19422
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: sees Maria Frigoris from its house!

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:00 pm

:lol:


Here we have another specimen frozen in time and composition - georgie...
Hi, Io the lurker.

User avatar
busterggi
Regular Poster
Posts: 871
Joined: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:36 pm
Custom Title: General Weirdness
Location: New Britain, CT

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby busterggi » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:53 pm

sneroul the thinker wrote:So i have come across these bodies of the supposed incorruptable bodies of saints although they seem like mummies to me still how to you explain it.



They're just dehydrated - pour water on them & they'll come back to life.

Or pour blood if you want them to come back as vampires.

User avatar
Cadmusteeth
Regular Poster
Posts: 896
Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:43 pm
Location: Colorado Springs, CO

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Cadmusteeth » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:35 pm

sneroul the thinker wrote:So i have come across these bodies of the supposed incorruptable bodies of saints although they seem like mummies to me still how to you explain it.

They're just well preserved.
Last edited by Cadmusteeth on Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:18 am, edited 1 time in total.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Has More Than 9K Posts
Posts: 9699
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:39 am

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:35 pm

"incorruptable bodies of saints" ---- I didn't even know that was a "thing."

Hmmmm.... so no dust to dust or ashes to ashes for the Saints? That ought to be proof positive as the various councils meets years after their deaths to determine whether or not they are saints? FORGET the 2 or 3 confirmed miracles===just look for the incorruptable body parts? What does incorruptible "look like" 20 years after death? Burial, cremation, "prepared",==should it make any difference being beyond time and space and all?
Real Name: bobbo the existential pragmatic evangelical anti-theist and Class Warrior.
Asking: What is the most good for the most people?
Sample Issue: Should the Feds provide all babies with free diapers?

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26117
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:08 pm

gorgeous wrote:it is real...when the mind is at a high moral and spiritual level it has little wear on the body...many saints slept, ate and drank very little...they didn't need to....

Here is the decomposed body of Santa Claus (St Nicholas). Are you saying St Nicholas did not have high morals? :lol:
St Nicholas.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26117
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:21 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:"incorruptable bodies of saints" ---- I didn't even know that was a "thing."

It probably isn't a thing. During the medieval period a cathedral or monastery needed to own a holy relic. Therefore a trade in holy relics, mostly the bones of saints started. Whether any of the relics are real can only be discerned by review of each individual case.

This brings me to my favourite story about St. Hugh, the bishop of Lincoln, England. He visited visited a monastery in France in the 12th century, and was shown an arm of St. Mary Magdalene. St Hugh, while no one was looking bit a finger off Mary Magdalene and spat the finger to his assistant who hid it. Voila! They now had their own relic.
:D

User avatar
gorgeous
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4074
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:25 pm

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby gorgeous » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:40 pm

Last edited by gorgeous on Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

User avatar
gorgeous
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4074
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:25 pm

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby gorgeous » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:41 pm

Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

User avatar
gorgeous
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4074
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:25 pm

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby gorgeous » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:42 pm

Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26117
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:49 pm

gorgeous wrote:St Bernadette's incorruptible body.
You really are an idiot Gorgeous.
The National Geographic You tube video states it is a clay death mask and not a body. :lol:

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26117
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:54 pm

gorgeous wrote:Blessed Imelda Lambertini video
You really need to do some basic research first. :lol:

"In fact, the faces of St. Veronica Giuliani and Blessed Imelda Lambertini,...... belong to wax mannequins."
http://bustedhalo.com/features/death-becomes-them

User avatar
gorgeous
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4074
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:25 pm

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby gorgeous » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:54 pm

evidence?
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26117
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:56 pm

gorgeous wrote:evidence?
Read the link you idiot.

User avatar
gorgeous
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4074
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:25 pm

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby gorgeous » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:03 pm

^^^^The Incorruptibles are wonderfully quirky critters. They remain preserved for just as long as they like, and rot away when they decide their work is done
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26117
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:10 pm

gorgeous wrote:^^^^The Incorruptibles are wonderfully quirky critters. They remain preserved for just as long as they like, and rot away when they decide their work is done

.....and what exactly has Mary Magdalene's corpse done for the last 2000 years, other than fully decompose? :lol:

User avatar
Gord
Real Skeptic
Posts: 28976
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Gord » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:59 pm

Ah, the wonder of incorruptibility. I always enjoy this one!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorruptibility

See, one of the problems with "incorruptibility" is that it doesn't mean what we think it means. Someone who has been naturally mummified in desert and would not strike us as being particularly wondrous would still fit the definition of "incorrupt". The body can be all blackened, shrivelled up, and very obviously deceased and it's still an example of incorruptibility: http://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/real ... pt-corpses Bleah!

Also, a lot of the "miracles" of incorruptibility in the Catholic church have turned out to be pretty non-miraculous: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightat ... ptibility/ Take, for example, the body of St. Margaret of Cortona, which turned out to have been purposefully mummified, and then people forgot it had been done -- after discovering that she was mummified, researchers searched out and found the ecclesiastical records, and it turned out the townsfolk had asked that she be embalmed immediately after she had died.

Now, back in the good ol' cays of ghosts and creepy things, some regions of the world would bury their dead in special fields in order for the flesh to rot away, then dig up the bones and place them into ossuaries. Sometimes, however, when they went to dig up those bones, the discovered that the body had not decayed the way it was expected to. This would be interpreted according to the time and era in which it occurred; in Greece, for instance, the dead person might have been declared to be a type of vampire.
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26117
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:07 am

I think the whole matter is even simpler. In pagan Rome, at a funeral, the deceased was played by an actor wearing a death mask or effigy of the deceased. The actor would shout out all the wonderful things the dead person had done. I think this whole thing about Roman catholic Saints and their effigies, is just a variant of that.

User avatar
Flash
Has More Than 6K Posts
Posts: 6001
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:09 pm
Location: Ontario, Canada

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Flash » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:49 am

In the Roman play Satiricon the funeral of a very rich deceased was a banquet where those who were going to inherit his money had to eat him uncooked first.
When I feel like exercising, I just lie down until the feeling goes away. Paul Terry

User avatar
Angel
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1524
Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:23 pm
Custom Title: LOVE

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Angel » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:42 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Angel wrote: Looks like I
do when I sleep.

A pile of snoring horseshit?


Still more useful then you. :-)

Bog bodies are interesting.
http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/oth ... ies-photos
I think it's all the lanolin that gets washed
off the sheep in the rain.
To be or not to be?
To believe or
Not to believe?
To be live or
Not to be live?
To exist or
Not to exist?
What was the question?

User avatar
Gord
Real Skeptic
Posts: 28976
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: Silent Ork
Location: Transcona

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Gord » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:49 pm

Angel wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Angel wrote: Looks like I
do when I sleep.

A pile of snoring horseshit?

Still more useful then you. :-)

than

...I think.

:befuddled:

No, wait, maybe the first way made more sense.
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Has No Life
Posts: 19183
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:57 pm

You people are weirder than I look.
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"

WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Has No Life
Posts: 19422
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Custom Title: something
Location: sees Maria Frigoris from its house!

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:11 pm

Hi, Io the lurker.

User avatar
Austin Harper
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 4806
Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:22 pm
Custom Title: Rock Chalk Astrohawk
Location: Detroit
Contact:

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Austin Harper » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:55 pm

sneroul the thinker wrote:So i have come across these bodies of the supposed incorruptable bodies of saints although they seem like mummies to me still how to you explain it.


I think you nailed it.
sneroul the thinker wrote:they seem like mummies
Dum ratio nos ducet, valebimus et multa bene geremus.

User avatar
Angel
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1524
Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:23 pm
Custom Title: LOVE

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Angel » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:04 am

Gord wrote:
Angel wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Angel wrote: Looks like I
do when I sleep.

A pile of snoring horseshit?

Still more useful hen you. :-)

hen

...I think.

:befuddled:

No, wait, maybe the first way made more sense.


How about now?

Does it state weather incorruptible
is a physical ~ mental or both thing?
A saint should be morally incorruptible.
To be or not to be?
To believe or
Not to believe?
To be live or
Not to be live?
To exist or
Not to exist?
What was the question?

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Has No Life
Posts: 19183
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:41 am

It doesn't state weather at all.
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"

WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
Angel
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1524
Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:23 pm
Custom Title: LOVE

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Angel » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:48 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:It doesn't state weather at all.


Oh well :rain:
To be or not to be?
To believe or
Not to believe?
To be live or
Not to be live?
To exist or
Not to exist?
What was the question?

Matthew Ellard
Real Skeptic
Posts: 26117
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:31 am

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:42 pm

Angel wrote:[Does it state weather incorruptible is a physical ~ mental or both thing?

The "weather" has nothing to do with dead saints.

User avatar
TJrandom
Has More Than 7K Posts
Posts: 7276
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:55 am
Location: Pacific coast outside of Tokyo bay.
Contact:

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby TJrandom » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:25 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Angel wrote:[Does it state weather incorruptible is a physical ~ mental or both thing?

The "weather" has nothing to do with dead saints.


Except of course that they would all be well weathered.... :oldman:

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Has No Life
Posts: 19183
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:46 pm

Ever notice how hard people work to be amazed by something as mundane as a dried out corpse?
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"

WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
TJrandom
Has More Than 7K Posts
Posts: 7276
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:55 am
Location: Pacific coast outside of Tokyo bay.
Contact:

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby TJrandom » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:02 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Ever notice how hard people work to be amazed by something as mundane as a dried out corpse?


Indeed. After all, they don`t talk, walk, change expressions, etc. - they just sort of lay there without moving. Not very interesting.

User avatar
Poodle
Has More Than 8K Posts
Posts: 8008
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:12 pm
Custom Title: Regular sleeper
Location: NE corner of my living room

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Poodle » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:12 pm

I've known living people like that.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Has No Life
Posts: 19183
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:27 pm

Poodle wrote:I've known living people like that.

Should have bought her flowers, dude.
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"

WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
Nobrot
Poster
Posts: 353
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:59 pm

Re: Incorruptable bodies

Postby Nobrot » Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:09 am

I wonder what is the present condition of the holy foreskin. I imagine it's a wee bit leathery by now, but I digress. What did happen to that most durable of bicycle pump seals? Well apparently the everlasting holey tap washer was last seen In Charroux, France, and only just recently, in biblical time frames that is.

"David Farley a world renowned expert on ablative heat shields has this to say:
The foreskin was looted during the Sack of Wrome in 1527. The German soldier who stole it was captured in the village of Calcata, 47 km north of Wrome, later the same year and thwrown into pwrison."

So far so good but then the Vatican had this to say:

"The Vatican grew less and less supportive of relics, particularly foreskins. In 1900 the Vatican suggested that foreskins encouraged "irreverent curiosity."

Irreverent curiosity? Now we can't be having that. The Catholic church being associated with embarrassing rituals?


Return to “Skepticism and Critical Thinking”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest