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Truthiness

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:28 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

Truthiness is a term invented by satirist Stephen Colbert (The Colbert Report). It refers to the quality of a statement or claim, presented without evidence, that causes people to believe or disbelieve it. Truthiness depends on two things.
1. Does it 'sound' right?
2. Does it agree with a person's pre-existing ideas, opinions and beliefs?

Any claim that meets both requirements is likely to be believed even in the total absense of any supporting evidence. This appears to be a phenomenon that affects almost everyone. We believe what sounds right and which agrees with our prejudices.

Good examples can be seen here on this forum. Jo believing reports of lights in the sky as aliens from outer space. Kwan believing that Donald Trump does not tell lies. Gorgeous believing crackpot web sites that claim psychic abilities are real. All these things have very poor, if any, evidence, but are believed.

These beliefs can be seriously harmful. Just think of climate change deniers. Those who believe that being gay is a threat to society. The belief that smoking marijuana cannot cause harm to your health. That vaccines cause autism. That more guns means less crime. Obviously truthiness is a very personal quality. What has truthiness for one person will not have it for another. Hopefully, skeptics will be more resistant to claims that have this quality.

What is your favorite truthiness belief?

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Re: Truthiness

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:37 pm

it was scientists at Stanford spending years validating remote viewing and psychic abilities....sorry to upset your rigid beliefs...
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Re: Truthiness

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:32 pm

Gorgeous

Please give me the reference to the peer reviewed and reputable scientific journal in which those findings were published. Scientists who actually discover something real will publish in such a journal. If there is no such reference, it means they discovered nothing real.

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Re: Truthiness

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:07 pm

Interestingly, the people most likely to be resistant to 'truthiness' as a means of convincing them, are those people with the highest degree of scientific curiosity.

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Re: Truthiness

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:19 pm

unless you appear in a journal you are not real
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Re: Truthiness

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:41 pm

...but for you, internet platforms will do, eh...
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Re: Truthiness

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:57 pm

gorgeous wrote:it was scientists at Stanford spending years validating remote viewing and psychic abilities....sorry to upset your rigid beliefs...

Gorgeous? You personally destroyed remote viewing in the other thread. You said that remote viewers only see potential alternative futures and that's why they were able to see Clinton as President and everything Clinton did as President, even though Clinton didn't become President.

In other words Remote viewing is a guessing contest.
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Re: Truthiness

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:00 pm

never said that
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Re: Truthiness

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:06 pm

That's because you haven't been featured in any journal and, therefore, do not exist.
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Re: Truthiness

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:15 pm

gorgeous wrote:never said that
Yep you said it.

Why else would the remote viewers "see" Clinton as President? Are you now suggesting the remote viewers simply lied and made up the whole story?
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Re: Truthiness

Postby OlegTheBatty » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:18 pm

I remote view occasionally. Then I pick it up and change the channel. Then I go back to ignoring it.
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Re: Truthiness

Postby Gord » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:57 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

Truthiness is a term invented by satirist Stephen Colbert (The Colbert Report). It refers to the quality of a statement or claim, presented without evidence, that causes people to believe or disbelieve it. Truthiness depends on two things.
1. Does it 'sound' right?
2. Does it agree with a person's pre-existing ideas, opinions and beliefs?

The term has been superseded by a new one, unfortunately: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 2a4f2397ba

‘Post-truth’ named 2016 word of the year by Oxford Dictionaries

...The dictionary defines “post-truth” as “relating to or denoting circumstances in which objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotion and personal belief.”...

Colbert had a bit of a rant about it on an episode of The Late Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck0yqUoBY7M
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Re: Truthiness

Postby TJrandom » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:34 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:... Good examples can be seen here on this forum. Jo believing reports of lights in the sky as aliens from outer space. Kwan believing that Donald Trump does not tell lies. Gorgeous believing crackpot web sites that claim psychic abilities are real. ...


Whew! As I read those sentences I was sweating the next words... Boy, did I luck out! :lol:

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Re: Truthiness

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:28 am

I'm still waiting for Gorgeous to explain what relationship to the real world Remote Viewing has. As Matt has he/she/it on horns: Does Remote Viewing claim any reality at all, or only maybe alternatives??? If the former: no track record at all. If the later: why..... I find that I myself am a Monster Remote Viewer.....I just close my eyes (ironic for a "viewer" but thats what I do) and all sorts of maybes come into view.

Try it. My views correlated HIGHLY to what actually happens. So far: a perfect zero. Thats very hard to achieve without iron clad causality.
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Re: Truthiness

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:11 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I'm still waiting for Gorgeous to explain what relationship to the real world Remote Viewing has.
Gorgeous wouldn't have a clue, as he is the target of "the con".

The "remote viewing people" are simply con artists, who publish five or six alternative books simultaneously to cover all bases. Here are three books concerning the incoming presidents........Clinton, Trump and Mark Rubio.

I think it is rather entertaining that the same remote viewers see six different presidents in 2017 simultaneously and then Gorgeous spams our forum about the accuracy of remote viewers.

Gorgeous really has the brains of a demented goldfish.

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Re: Truthiness

Postby digress » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:17 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:What is your favorite truthiness belief?


my favorite truthiness is apples image

ps. fun question ^-^
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Re: Truthiness

Postby Gord » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:35 pm

digress wrote:
Lance Kennedy wrote:What is your favorite truthiness belief?


my favorite truthiness is apples image

ps. fun question ^-^

Oh, is that the picture that looks like a pile of apples on your computer screen, but if you print it out on your printer you get an entirely different image?
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Re: Truthiness

Postby digress » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:11 am

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Re: Truthiness

Postby Gord » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:04 am

...so then, no...?
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Postby digress » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:43 pm

idk what you were tawking about ._.
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Re: Truthiness

Postby Gord » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:41 am

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Re: Truthiness

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Re: Truthiness

Postby Gord » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:13 am

o_O
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Re: Truthiness

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o_-
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Re: Truthiness

Postby Gord » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:44 am

^.^
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Re: Truthiness

Postby Angel » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:46 am

[quote="Lance Kennedy"]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

Truthiness is a term invented by satirist Stephen Colbert (The Colbert Report). It refers to the quality of a statement or claim, presented without evidence, that causes people to believe or disbelieve it. Truthiness depends on two things.
1. Does it 'sound' right?
2. Does it agree with a person's pre-existing ideas, opinions and beliefs?

Any claim that meets both requirements is likely to be believed even in the total absense of any supporting evidence. This appears to be a phenomenon that affects almost everyone. We believe what sounds right and which agrees with our prejudices.

Good examples can be seen here on this forum. Jo believing reports of lights in the sky as aliens from outer space. Kwan believing that Donald Trump does not tell lies. Gorgeous believing crackpot web sites that claim psychic abilities are real. All these things have very poor, if any, evidence, but are believed.

These beliefs can be seriously harmful. Just think of climate change deniers. Those who believe that being gay is a threat to society. The belief that smoking marijuana cannot cause harm to your health. That vaccines cause autism. That more guns means less crime. Obviously truthiness is a very personal quality. What has truthiness for one person will not have it for another. Hopefully, skeptics will be more resistant to claims that have this quality.

What is your favorite truthiness belief?[/quote
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