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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Azania » Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:49 pm

Oops! Are you trying to piss people off again with your
Poo-dull-ness? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Poodle » Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:59 pm

No, Azania. I was attempting to elicit some sense from the BS I suspected we were being given. Someone had a tantrum and left the room.

Of course, my anti-bullshit mission is not complete, is it?

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Azania » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:05 pm

Poodle wrote:No, Azania. I was attempting to elicit some sense from the BS I suspected we were being given. Someone had a tantrum and left the room.

Of course, my anti-bullshit mission is not complete, is it?


Obviously not, you are still here. Nothing's complete until you have done away with yourself.

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Poodle » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:11 pm

Deary me! I sense that I have touched a nerve. Friend of yours, was he?

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Azania » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:18 pm

Poodle wrote:Deary me! I sense that I have touched a nerve. Friend of yours, was he?



Nah. Hey poodle, did you know that by eliminating the intervals of inadvertence in your waking hours you will gradually eliminate the long intervals of absent mindedness which you call sleep. In doing so you will actually be aware that you are unconscious. You do realise it is not you who sleeps, it is only the body that needs rest and recuperation.

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Poodle » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:21 pm

No, Azania, I didn't know that. When did you last sleep?

Oh - I liked "you will actually be aware that you are unconscious". It's a perfect example.

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Azania » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:25 pm

Poodle wrote:No, Azania, I didn't know that. When did you last sleep?
:lol:
Oh - I liked "you will actually be aware that you are unconscious". It's a perfect example.


:lol: :lol: it is indeed. When have you known the world to be asleep?

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Poodle » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:28 pm

Do you know, I think you may be trying to lure me into something silly, Azania. When did you last sleep?

( I have to tell you that I suspect it was last night, by the way).

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Azania » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:36 pm

Poodle wrote:Do you know, I think you may be trying to lure me into something silly, Azania. When did you last sleep?


:lol: :lol: I'm doing nothing of the sort. Besides you are putting the question wrong. You are assuming that I am the body again. My question is perfectly legitimate. Let me put it more simply. at any moment in time do you think it's possible for every conscious living organism to be asleep simultaneously ?

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Poodle » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:39 pm

Forgive me for forgetting your disembodied spirit status. There is no answer to your question, as we have no information at all about the extent or nature of all conscious living organisms in the Universe.

That was a bit easy, Azania. Are you not well?

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Azania » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:00 am

Poodle wrote:Forgive me for forgetting your disembodied spirit status. There is no answer to your question, as we have no information at all about the extent or nature of all conscious living organisms in the Universe.

That was a bit easy, Azania. Are you not well?


:lol: :lol: A bit easy? Obviously not and further more there is but you have failed to answer it! You are the nature. There is no possibility of every conscious living organism to be asleep simultaneously. Consciousness does not sleep, on the beat of the heart the moment something sleeps something awakes. It is only the manifested form that require rest in order to function optimally. Sleep is merely a lapse in memory it is not a gap in consciousness. Are you something else other than yourself that should warrant the collection of information?

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:01 am

Azania wrote:You do realise it is not you who sleeps, it is only the body that needs rest and recuperation.


How do you explain dreams then? You forgot about dreams, when you made up your ridiculous claim, didn't you?

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Poodle » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:11 am

Azania wrote:... There is no possibility of every conscious living organism to be asleep simultaneously ...


Oooh!!! I'd love a citation for that declaration, Azania. Please inform me where I can find the research which came to that conclusion.

I have to admit, though, that I think I may be waiting for that citation for a long, long time. I may even sleep while I'm waiting. Not all of the time, of course, otherwise I'd miss your learned response.

EDIT: It's been a while. I think Azania must have gone to bed.

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:00 am

Poodle wrote:EDIT: It's been a while. I think Azania must have gone to bed.
I can't blame him for running away from his claim this time. He would never be able to explain dreams, and EEG's on brain waves in waking and sleeping states.

I don't think Anazia has any fixed "theory" but rather a list of sentences that sound very deep and meaningful, that he posts here to get attention. When that fails he starts abusing skeptics. It's an endless cycle.

However, after four years of reading his rubbish, I think he has taken enough of our time and he should re-locate to the International Skeptics forum. That way he can reboot and start from scratch with a whole new audience.
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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Poodle » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:31 am

I enjoy the deep and meaningful ones. They tend to hang around for longer than the "I have a wonderful new philosophy" gang. But hey! Beggars can't be choosers.

I don't think ISF is a good career choice for him (oh - an assumption - him/her). Difficult though it is to imagine, I think we're more easy-going here. At least, that's what I like to think because then we get more than our fair share of out and out fun people.

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Azania » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:38 am

Poodle wrote:
Azania wrote:... There is no possibility of every conscious living organism to be asleep simultaneously ...


Oooh!!! I'd love a citation for that declaration, Azania. Please inform me where I can find the research which came to that conclusion.


:lol: :lol: I need not cite nobody's opinion for an obvious fact. The fact that I can observe my own sleep is enough. There's no substitute for observation.

I have to admit, though, that I think I may be waiting for that citation for a long, long time. I may even sleep while I'm waiting. Not all of the time, of course, otherwise I'd miss your learned response.


It is not me that draws my conclusions from memory. On the other hand you live by it.

EDIT: It's been a while. I think Azania must have gone to bed.


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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Poodle » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:53 am

Azania wrote:The fact that I can observe my own sleep is enough. There's no substitute for observation.


Indeed not Azania (who, I assume, is returning after maybe twenty winks or so). I note your admission of your own sleep. But pray tell the world, Azania the Sleepless, how you go about observing your own fortywinkishness. I mean, you're as right as right can be about observation but, you know, I'm struggling with your auto-observation during closedown. Actually, I suspect you're fibbing but, let's be fair, it's possible that you are unique amongst the human race.

Nah - actually I think you're not telling me the truth. Naughty, naughty!!!!!!!

"an obvious fact" ... I admire your courage, if not your intellect. Obvious to whom?

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Azania » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:04 am

Poodle wrote:
Azania wrote:The fact that I can observe my own sleep is enough. There's no substitute for observation.


Indeed not Azania (who, I assume, is returning after maybe twenty winks or so). I note your admission of your own sleep. But pray tell the world, Azania the Sleepless, how you go about observing your own fortywinkishness. I mean, you're as right as right can be about observation but, you know, I'm struggling with your auto-observation during closedown. Actually, I suspect you're fibbing but, let's be fair, it's possible that you are unique amongst the human race.


:lol: I've already explained to you how it is achieved.

Nah - actually I think you're not telling me the truth. Naughty, naughty!!!!!!!

"an obvious fact" ... I admire your courage, if not your intellect. Obvious to whom?


Everyone with a little intelligence of course, silly little man. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Poodle » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:10 am

Azania wrote: :lol: I've already explained to you how it is achieved.


No. No, really - you didn't. You can't. All you can do is proclaim your own delusions on truth and evidence.

Everyone with a little intelligence of course, silly little man. :lol: :lol:


OK - for the sake of people who aren't quite so thick as me, just point out to me who those people are, Azania.

(ADVICE) You're overusing the belly laugh icon. It smacks of desperation.

And - just to remind you ... citation, please. It isn't much to ask.

(YETANOTHEREDIT) I'm not demanding miracles, Azania - you can cite your own work if you like. Just point us to where it is.

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Azania » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:25 am

Poodle wrote:
Azania wrote: :lol: I've already explained to you how it is achieved.


No. No, really - you didn't. You can't. All you can do is proclaim your own delusions on truth and evidence.


I did. But as per usual you don't understand. What is your perception of the world based on poodle?

Everyone with a little intelligence of course, silly little man. :lol: :lol:


OK - for the sake of people who aren't quite so thick as me, just point out to me who those people are, Azania.


Erm! Everyone that knows their alphabet.

(ADVICE) You're overusing the belly laugh icon. It smacks of desperation.


I can't help it unless your responses go beyond your infancy I will continue to laugh. :lol: :lol:

Actually maybe not. My sides are starting to hurt.

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:54 am

Azania wrote: My sides are starting to hurt.


We are all laughing Azania. You made a really stupid claim and pretended you could consciously observe yourself while you are asleep, and now can't explain how you do that.

Next time, try think through your ridiculous lies before posting them.
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Postby Gord » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:19 am

Poodle wrote:Do you know, I think you may be trying to lure me into something silly, Azania.

yup
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Postby Nobrot » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:44 am

Azania wrote:
Poodle wrote:No, Azania. I was attempting to elicit some sense from the BS I suspected we were being given. Someone had a tantrum and left the room.

Of course, my anti-bullshit mission is not complete, is it?


Obviously not, you are still here. Nothing's complete until you have done away with yourself.


I didn't know until I registered with this website that it lacks a certain user enabled function. Suffice it to say this is the only response you will ever receive for me. I wish you well in your endeavours, whatever they are.

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Postby Gord » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:17 am

Nobrot wrote:I didn't know until I registered with this website that it lacks a certain user enabled function.

Which one? The ignore function? We've got that. The censor function? We've got that too. There's even this really awesome option where you can elect to replace one word with another in anything anyone posts. I replaced one particular word with the word "banana" a long time ago and then forgot about it. Now I occasionally wonder why people sometimes talk nonsense about bananas.
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Postby Poodle » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:37 am

Another day, another dilly. I feel refreshed after my sleep.

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Azania » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:26 am

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Azania wrote: My sides are starting to hurt.


We are all laughing Azania. You made a really stupid claim and pretended you could consciously observe yourself while you are asleep, and now can't explain how you do that.

Next time, try think through your ridiculous lies before posting them.
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:lol: :lol: oh dear, there's no hope for you is there ellard? You are very good at collecting information. But I'm not talking about brain consciousness you numb nut. Waking sleep is when you are wake and your body is asleep but in order to experience it you need to be alert.

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Postby Poodle » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:33 am

Did you sleep well last night, Azania?

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Poodle wrote:Another day, another dilly. I feel refreshed after my sleep.


Maybe but how wakeful is your wakefulness?

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Poodle wrote:Did you sleep well last night, Azania?


I was aware of my body sleeping.

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Postby Poodle » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:40 am

Azania wrote:
Poodle wrote:Another day, another dilly. I feel refreshed after my sleep.


Maybe but how wakeful is your wakefulness?


On a sliding scale of 1 to 10, maybe an 8. Another cup of coffee could improve things.

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Azania wrote:
Poodle wrote:Another day, another dilly. I feel refreshed after my sleep.


Maybe but how wakeful is your wakefulness?


On a sliding scale of 1 to 10, maybe an 8. Another cup of coffee could improve things.


I'm not enquiring about your bodies reflexes poodle, mere programmed responses do not ascertain wakefulness.

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Postby Poodle » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:53 am

I informed you of my state of wakefulness, which is what you asked me about. Do you find that being aware of your body sleeping makes you tetchy?

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Poodle wrote:I informed you of my state of wakefulness, which is what you asked me about. Do you find that being aware of your body sleeping makes you tetchy?



you are merely informing me of the state of your mind. Which is all very well and good. but I'm not interested in your random modes of thought. You have not fully understood my question. I asked you how wakeful is your wakefulness. But you proceed to inform me of your waking state. Waking state doesn't neccessarily mean you are fully awake and alert. It just shows that your brain consciousness is online receiving and transmitting information based of what has previously been recorded. All this happens below the threshold of consciousness.

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Postby Poodle » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:50 am

Wow! You got all that just from "On a sliding scale of 1 to 10, maybe an 8. Another cup of coffee could improve things".

I'm flabbergasted.

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Postby Azania » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:57 am

Poodle wrote:Wow! You got all that just from "On a sliding scale of 1 to 10, maybe an 8. Another cup of coffee could improve things".

I'm flabbergasted.


It would be better if you were fully awake and alert. Perhaps then your repies might show some level of intelligence.

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Poodle » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:15 pm

I'm bored with this now. I may return to the subject when Azania learns to speak a language other than Gibberish.

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Poodle wrote:I'm bored with this now. I may return to the subject when Azania learns to speak a language other than Gibberish.


I got bored the moment you brought it down to the level of your infancy, It's a shame though, as this site could be quite an interesting place for discussion were it not for its regular bundits.

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:08 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:We are all laughing at you Azania. You made a really stupid claim and pretended you could consciously observe yourself while you are asleep, and now can't explain how you do that.
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Azania wrote:dear, there's no hope for you is there ellard? You are very good at collecting information.
That's right Anazia. I supply evidence and post citations. You can't even complete coherent sentences. :D

Azania wrote: Waking sleep is when you are wake and your body is asleep but in order to experience it you need to be alert.
.....so, in reality, you are not actually asleep. Didn't you work that out yet?

Which EEG alpha wave pattern describes this magical state you claim to be in? Alternatively, are you claiming that an EEG would not register any brain activity in your head at all? :D
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Poodle wrote:Did you sleep well last night, Azania?
Azania wrote:I was aware of my body sleeping.

1) Have you ever had a dream Anazia?
2) Do you deny REM sleep exists Anazia?

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Re: Proof that we come from Absolutely Nothing...

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Poodle wrote:Did you sleep well last night, Azania?
Azania wrote:I was aware of my body sleeping.

1) Have you ever had a dream Anazia?
2) Do you deny REM sleep exists Anazia?


Ellard listen and listen good. It is the same for me as it is for you. The difference is I have gone beyond the idea of this body, to me it is just a blip in this vast expansion of consciousness. To you this body is all there is. As long as you take it to be so there is very little chance of you experiencing what I have experience. Knowing what I know. You are not going to see or understand what I see and understand. I do not deny REM sleep. I have dreams the same as you!! REM sleep is on the surface of your mind, it is merely the echoes of your waking state. It is in the realms of brain consciousness. In deep sleep there is no REM because brain consciousness is suspended or offline if you like. But and here is the big BUT consciousness per se is never offline, it never shuts down because it is a reflection of the real. So when I say I am aware that I am sleeping it is because of the consciousness. You are only consciousness but the problem with you people is that your memory underpins everything you do. So when it blanks out as in sleep you don't remember that you are conscious. Unconsciousness is but another idea in the conscious mind.

Hence the reason why I said, if you can eliminate the intervals of inadvertence, that means if you pay attention to everything you are doing in your waking state, rather than functioning like a little applet on a computer and doing things automatically you can gradually eliminate the long intervals of absent mindedness which you call sleep. It is not hard to do ellard, it is very easy. You are not practicing anything you are just paying attention to yourself as you are in reality rather then how you appear in the dream which is essentially the waking state.



Which EEG alpha wave pattern describes this magical state you claim to be in? Alternatively, are you claiming that an EEG would not register any brain activity in your head at all? :D


Your EEG machines can only measure the patterns of brain activity. How can it measure something it cannot register? I've already told you so many times. You are not in the body the body is in you. It is in your consciousness and so is the world. First there is awareness. In this awareness there is consciousness, in this consciousness there is a mind. In the mind there is a body which is basically the world or universes. You cannot have one without the other. So essentially if there is no consciousness there is no world.
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