Habitual irrational thinking.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:37 am

Targ^^^ and Pat Price worked on the Patty Hearst kidnap case and gave accurate into confirmed weeks later by cops...some immediately.....they also worked with Robert Monroe who trained people to travel out of body...and with the CIA...
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:16 am

Angel wrote: Are you able and willing to speak only the truth?
I am obliged to only offer facts and support those facts with evidence, as this is a science based Skeptic Forum.

Angel wrote: And your irrational thinking is that you think I should behave like you on here.
I never expect you to tell the truth or back anything up as you are a religious person spamming propaganda about your god on this science based forum.

Angel wrote:Please explain how this is irrational thinking~

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Romans-Chapter-12/
The irrational thinking behind this that it call for humans to sacrifice themselves to a 2000 year old middle Eastern deity called God, invented by bronze age sheep herders. If you do this you will go to a fictional place called heaven. If don't sacrifice yourself to this fictional God fellow says he will burn your body for eternity in hell.
How is that rational?

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:19 am

Bohr--Everything is made of stuff that's not real-----how is that rational?
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:24 am

gorgeous wrote:Bohr--Everything is made of stuff that's not real-----how is that rational?
Electromagnetic wave forms. Didn't you know?

What did Bohr discover Gorgeous? :lol:

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:59 am

Gorgeous does not even know what Bohr was talking about. She fails to realise that energy and information are both real. It is only superstitious ideas that are unreal

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Angel » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:33 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Angel wrote:Here's my habitual irrational thinking.
Thinking that anybody is even able
to speak the truth. They do not speak
the truth out of fear of speaking the
word of God.

I agree. That is you thinking irrationally. But, it seems you are rational enough to recognize the irrationality . . .


That's ok ~ :-)

People seem to thrive on animosity
yet animosity comes from the extreme
of irrational thinking.
Peeps claim~
You cannot possibly know how to enjoy or
appreciate that until somebody destroys
it first. Dumb thinking.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Angel » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:36 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:Gorgeous does not even know what Bohr was talking about. She fails to realise that energy and information are both real. It is only superstitious ideas that are unreal


According to you peeps ~
something has to be real in order
for it to be made not real.
Quite making things up lol ;-)

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Angel » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:43 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Angel wrote: Are you able and willing to speak only the truth?
I am obliged to only offer facts and support those facts with evidence, as this is a science based Skeptic Forum.

Angel wrote: And your irrational thinking is that you think I should behave like you on here.
I never expect you to tell the truth or back anything up as you are a religious person spamming propaganda about your god on this science based forum.

Angel wrote:Please explain how this is irrational thinking~

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Romans-Chapter-12/
The irrational thinking behind this that it call for humans to sacrifice themselves to a 2000 year old middle Eastern deity called God, invented by bronze age sheep herders. If you do this you will go to a fictional place called heaven. If don't sacrifice yourself to this fictional God fellow says he will burn your body for eternity in hell.
How is that rational?


Try again son. It's ok~ you will get it one day :-D
Try actually reading the words this time.
Then answer the question asked.
Are those specific words irrational thinking?
I can prove them either way. I only would
like to see how you see it.
Besides if I can't use the bible as it is
unproven then neither can you. It's how old?
Maybe it's being changed again as we speak.
It is after all ~ the living word of God. :-p

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:45 pm

how about the video of the physicist Targ working in remote viewing and even on the Patti Hearst case?...remote viewing and psychic stuff is real...
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:58 pm

Angel

Not meaning to be nasty, but I find your brief and fatuous comments somewhat annoying. That might be your intention, of course. But this is a discussion forum, and it is nice when people actually offer something to discuss.

Gorgeous

The internet is full of faked claims. You need to do better, to present evidence. As I said earlier, acceptable evidence takes the form of publication in peer reviewed and reputable scientific journals. Something as revolutionary as remote viewing, if shown to be correct, would be in every such journal. Since it is not, that is pretty damn good reason to believe the evidence is crap.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:18 pm

how sad....nothing is real unless it's in a journal......so sad....were the scientists involved for decades and who worked on the Patty Hearst case and with the CIA delusional?
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:36 pm

Anyone who claims remote viewing is real is delusional. The peer reviewed and reputable journal is a means of weeding out the crap from what is real.

For example, The Lancet is one of the world's most reputable peer reviewed medical journals. The definitive study on homeopathy was published in this journal, and showed clearly that homeopathic remedies are equal to placebo. In spite of this, millions of people still believe in homeopathy, which simply shows the degree of stupidity. A bit like still believing in psychic abilities.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:44 pm

how do you get through each day without a peer reviewed journal oking your every action??
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm

Because every action is not something to be added to my belief system. My belief system is based on credible evidence. For credible evidence, I look to peer reviewed and reputable scientific journals.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:21 pm

does a journal give you evidence that you exist ?
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:35 pm

That's one of your psychoses, isn't it. That intense need to ascertain or establish that you exist...

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:02 pm

making a point...unless there is evidence in a journal according to Lance it isn't real...
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:05 pm

Angel wrote:Please explain how this is irrational thinking~

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Romans-Chapter-12/
Matthew Ellard wrote:The irrational thinking behind this that it calls for humans to sacrifice themselves to a 2000 year old middle Eastern deity called God, invented by bronze age sheep herders. If you do this you will go to a fictional place called heaven. If don't sacrifice yourself to this fictional God fellow says he will burn your body for eternity in hell.
How is that rational?


Angel wrote:Try again son. It's ok~ you will get it one day. Try actually reading the words this time.
I did read the words.
Angel wrote:Are those specific words irrational thinking?
Yes. It's called the Bible. A book of fairy tales for Christians.
Angel wrote:It is after all ~ the living word of God. :-p
There is no "God" or "Jesus" or "Devil" or "Angels called Michael and Gabriel" and the words are not living. You are simply spamming your Christian propaganda on a science forum to get attention.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:07 pm

gorgeous wrote:does a journal give you evidence that you exist ?

Yep. The Births, Deaths and Marriages registry office journal. :lol:

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:15 pm

science journal
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:18 pm

gorgeous wrote:making a point...unless there is evidence in a journal according to Lance it isn't real...


Not quite.
I believe that which my senses show me. I accept that the sun appears to rise in the east every morning, because I can see it. To disbelieve your own senses is irrational.

But what of ideas that are not shown to be real by such obvious means? What if someone tries to tell me of something I have never experienced? How do I know what to believe? I look at the verity of the source. If the source is a crackpot internet web site, and reported by a flake like gorgeous, then I will not believe. If the source is a peer reviewed and reputable scientific journal, then I will believe that is the best according to current capability. It does not prove something to be correct. But the lack of any such credible reference casts very, very serious doubt on silly claims, like those gorgeous makes.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:19 pm

gorgeous wrote:science journal
The Births, Death and Marriages Registry journal is a science journal. It is full of facts about what children were born to what parents and stuff like that. :D

People have probably worked out that Gorgeous doesn't have a passport and has never been outside of the USA.......which explains a lot. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:32 pm

"To disbelieve your own senses is irrational."
-------------------exactly...like sensing someone is staring from behind you...that is your mind sensing it....or psychic senses showing scenes from your future which come true....or psychic senses showing images from miles away...
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:33 pm

I was born in Germany...
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:39 pm

gorgeous wrote:I was born in Germany...
So you have a passport that is evidence that you exist just like we all have passports that prove we all exist. So why do you keep asking that same stupid question over and over and over again, if you already know the answer?


In welchem ​​Teil Deutschlands wurdest du geboren?

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:46 pm

Gorgeous

A person's MIND sensing something is simply insanity. The mind has an imagination, and can create unreal things inside that imagination. I know that because I write science fiction stories. But when you believe that those stories are actually real, that is when you are no longer sane.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby gorgeous » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:56 am

you will learn...scientists acknowledged it...
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:26 am

gorgeous wrote:you will learn...scientists acknowledged it...


Gorgeous. You keep shooting yourself in the foot. You just admitted you, like us, all have passports and thus there is evidence we all exist. That means all your previous spams look rather stupid.

Keep up the good work of shooting yourself in the foot.
:lol:

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Lance Kennedy » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:50 am

Scientists do NOT acknowledge senses of the outside world emanating from the mind. If they did, these senses would be the subject of study and the results published in peer reviewed reputable scientific journals.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Gord » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:22 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:...this is a discussion forum, and it is nice when people actually offer something to discuss.

Something interesting, that is.
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Angel » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:12 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Angel wrote:Please explain how this is irrational thinking~

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Romans-Chapter-12/
Matthew Ellard wrote:The irrational thinking behind this that it calls for humans to sacrifice themselves to a 2000 year old middle Eastern deity called God, invented by bronze age sheep herders. If you do this you will go to a fictional place called heaven. If don't sacrifice yourself to this fictional God fellow says he will burn your body for eternity in hell.
How is that rational?


Angel wrote:Try again son. It's ok~ you will get it one day. Try actually reading the words this time.
I did read the words.
Angel wrote:Are those specific words irrational thinking?
Yes. It's called the Bible. A book of fairy tales for Christians.
Angel wrote:It is after all ~ the living word of God. :-p
There is no "God" or "Jesus" or "Devil" or "Angels called Michael and Gabriel" and the words are not living. You are simply spamming your Christian propaganda on a science forum to get attention.


U did not supply a rational debate worth
post.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Angel » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:21 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:Scientists do NOT acknowledge senses of the outside world emanating from the mind. If they did, these senses would be the subject of study and the results published in peer reviewed reputable scientific journals.


Denying anything is silly.
I'd rather scan a strangers brain
with mine ~ to know them rather
than listen to them tell me their
whole life story wondering how
much of it was true. Lol

Are you saying that there is nothing
new under the sun? That we must
wait for aliens to bring us a wonderful
future? Or enslave us?
There is so much yet to be discovered
by humans & scientists.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Angel » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:24 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
gorgeous wrote:you will learn...scientists acknowledged it...


Gorgeous. You keep shooting yourself in the foot. You just admitted you, like us, all have passports and thus there is evidence we all exist. That means all your previous spams look rather stupid.

Keep up the good work of shooting yourself in the foot.
:lol:


My passport has expired so prove I exist. Hehe

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:52 pm

Angel wrote: U did not supply a rational debate worth post.
What argument do you think you are debating? That "Jesus" and "God" are real? What is your evidence?

In reality, you have been posting about your "Jesus" and "God" in a thread called habitual irrational thinking, offering a clear example of habitual irrational thinking. :lol:

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:58 pm

Angel wrote:My passport has expired so prove I exist.

Well that went right over your head.....

We are laughing at Gorgeous, as Gorgeous obviously exists, because he is posting on the forum. So are you. So are we.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Austin Harper » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:47 pm

Angel, can you try to formulate your ideas and then post a complete thought instead of posting multiple times in a row?
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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Angel » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:54 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Angel wrote: U did not supply a rational debate worth post.
What argument do you think you are debating? That "Jesus" and "God" are real? What is your evidence?

In reality, you have been posting about your "Jesus" and "God" in a thread called habitual irrational thinking, offering a clear example of habitual irrational thinking. :lol:


It's not about what's is worthy of debating.
When you know HOW to debate ~ you can
debate anything. U need to learn how to
debate maturely. :-)

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Angel » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:57 pm

Austin Harper wrote:Angel, can you try to formulate your ideas and then post a complete thought instead of posting multiple times in a row?


You desire that I answer all of these
posts with one answer?
I was doing that before but it
was too streight up cut and dry
for most.

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Angel » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:59 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Angel wrote:My passport has expired so prove I exist.

Well that went right over your head.....

We are laughing at Gorgeous, as Gorgeous obviously exists, because he is posting on the forum. So are you. So are we.


No ~ it went over ur head in a rush
to jump on my post. Hahaha
I was poking fun at u. ;-p

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Re: Habitual irrational thinking.

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:29 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:What argument do you think you are debating? That "Jesus" and "God" are real? What is your evidence?
Angel wrote:It's not about what's is worthy of debating. When you know HOW to debate ~ you can debate anything. U need to learn how to debate maturely.
In other words you are not going to debate your religious claims, at all, but keep spamming your religious propaganda about "God" and "Jesus" to intentionally irritate forum members.



Austin Harper wrote:Angel, can you try to formulate your ideas and then post a complete thought instead of posting multiple times in a row?
Angel wrote:You desire that I answer all of these posts with one answer? I was doing that before but it was too streight up cut and dry for most.
In other words you were not getting enough attention before, so now you spam your religious propaganda over many posts to get attention.


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